Boy do I love the point you made about us not being able to arrest or detain people if they're not within our jurisdiction 👀. Louder for the people in the back!!
This nurse will require a warrant or administrative order before I tell an ICE agent (or anyone else) anything about my patients. 💯 As always, thank you for your time and expertise! 💕
I feel like there are some folks who drafted the 14th An EO that didn’t think through the ramifications of their “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” argument
Agreed. So if they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, then... what? We have no right to arrest and detain them? Because jurisdictional issues are foundational in US law.
If SCOTUS sides with this argument, I’ll start making that same argument on behalf of my clients - i.e., that the government has no authority to initiate deportation proceedings. What’s good for the goose …
All day I had that floating around in my thoughts, and deciding this could be opening a serious can of worms. *preparing popcorn to watch it all play out *
Just wanted to say it was lovely to see you here Christina! A fellow governerd introduced me to your instagram about a year ago and I’ve learned so much from you!
Once again, Sharon, I appreciate you doing such deep research to answer these questions. I've worried about the use of the term "invasion" in the political rhetoric as laying the groundwork to justify an overreach of federal troops.
Recently I’ve been paring back my social media participation and limiting news intake for my mental health. So thankful for the work you’ve done on Instagram and now here on Substack to help educate many of us. Subscribing was a no-brainer, as I’m thankful to support the work you do!
My fear is that they're going to detain more than they deport, and use the exception made by the 13th amendment (which outlaws slavery *except in punishment for a crime*) to create camps to continue to provide agricultural labor for free.
thank you for this! I get that there is no downside to Maga for enacting these policies, however I do worry about the downside to the American economy and also the trauma of family separation which will affect legal citizens and non documented alike.
What I heard is they are excited to get the opportunity to legally terrorize people. That seems just dystopian enough to be on brand for this administration. *sigh*
I’ve been hearing a lot of talk about for profit prisons stocks going up in preparation to hold undocumented immigrants. Is this true/likely? Could you touch on the likelihood that those that are held would not be deported and instead be used as laborers in the fields they were already working but for much lower pay? Essentially slave labor.
It is the only form of slave labor still allowed under the 13th amendment (which has an exception for unpaid labor used as punishment for a crime). This is why our prison system is the largest in the world and why minorities are disproportionately imprisoned at higher rates. Ava Duvernay's documentary 13th is a sobering explainer of this concept.
In case anyone wants to get ahead of this possibility and write your reps, here's what I sent to my house rep (R) and my two senators (both D):
I am deeply concerned with the plans of this administration to conduct mass deportations, from a human rights perspective and from an economic perspective. Undocumented immigrants pay significant amounts into our tax system and social security. They complete labor that Americans are unwilling to do (though they are exploited with extremely low pay due to their inability to negotiate fair rates). Employers seeking American citizens to complete the work that will be left undone will increase costs exponentially. My biggest concern is that mass deportations will not actually take place, but that mass detention in labor camps will—in order to exploit the exception under the 13th amendment that slave labor is permitted in punishment for a crime. Please do everything in your power to stop any actions of this kind. If they want to deport people, deport them. Make American employers figure out how to properly pay Americans to complete the work that needs doing. Do not allow this country to further backslide into allowing slavery—an ongoing injustice of our prison system that has existed since the end of the Civil War and needs to be eradicated entirely. Thank you for all that you do to serve the American people.
The “Left” needs to denounce the absolute disaster of an immigration crisis allowed to run rampant under the Biden Administration! I am beyond sick of hearing “but who will pick our crops, who will clean our houses”?? This is the exact same cry by former slave owners asking “now who will pick my cotton” upon the freeing of the slaves. Even Bishop Budde last week echoed these exact words!! There needs to be acknowledgment of the entire debacle. Too many immigrants were allowed across our borders, women and children housed next to unvetted men, and for what? To come here and struggle and work for subpar wages. The amount of money wasted not to mention the unnecessary burdens placed on cities, infrastructures, etc is appalling. The process has got to be fixed and it would be nice to hear those on the Left offer some solutions instead of more whining and complaining. How this was allowed to happen is a travesty on every level.
Allexis, I have heard that, too. It’s horrible but I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens. Trump said he will bring down grocery prices. That would help do it. It’s not a good thing. 😢
Nothing says a well thought out, wise use of the power of executive order like misspelling murderers. Cool cool cool.
Boy do I love the point you made about us not being able to arrest or detain people if they're not within our jurisdiction 👀. Louder for the people in the back!!
This nurse will require a warrant or administrative order before I tell an ICE agent (or anyone else) anything about my patients. 💯 As always, thank you for your time and expertise! 💕
I feel like there are some folks who drafted the 14th An EO that didn’t think through the ramifications of their “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” argument
Agreed. So if they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, then... what? We have no right to arrest and detain them? Because jurisdictional issues are foundational in US law.
If SCOTUS sides with this argument, I’ll start making that same argument on behalf of my clients - i.e., that the government has no authority to initiate deportation proceedings. What’s good for the goose …
(and thanks, as always, for being you)
Can you *imagine* the absolute chaos.
Complete and utter. This is going to be fascinating to follow.
All day I had that floating around in my thoughts, and deciding this could be opening a serious can of worms. *preparing popcorn to watch it all play out *
Just wanted to say it was lovely to see you here Christina! A fellow governerd introduced me to your instagram about a year ago and I’ve learned so much from you!
Aww thank you!! I’m so glad to hear that you find it useful/helpful! Definitely gives me the energy to keep going lol
I’m so glad! I am a definite lurker 🤣 But I’ve been reading and listening. Both your expertise and compassion come out in your explanations.
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Once again, Sharon, I appreciate you doing such deep research to answer these questions. I've worried about the use of the term "invasion" in the political rhetoric as laying the groundwork to justify an overreach of federal troops.
Recently I’ve been paring back my social media participation and limiting news intake for my mental health. So thankful for the work you’ve done on Instagram and now here on Substack to help educate many of us. Subscribing was a no-brainer, as I’m thankful to support the work you do!
Has Trump actually thought ahead to what a mass removal of immigrants will do to our economy? Or is his racism blinding him to that?
My fear is that they're going to detain more than they deport, and use the exception made by the 13th amendment (which outlaws slavery *except in punishment for a crime*) to create camps to continue to provide agricultural labor for free.
thank you for this! I get that there is no downside to Maga for enacting these policies, however I do worry about the downside to the American economy and also the trauma of family separation which will affect legal citizens and non documented alike.
What I heard is they are excited to get the opportunity to legally terrorize people. That seems just dystopian enough to be on brand for this administration. *sigh*
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Thank you for the breakdown! New subscriber… going to try to convince my mom to subscribe as well. The mass media dramatization is just too much!!
Welcome!!
Show me the murderers and rapists hiding in schools..... I'll wait.
The only murderers are the ones who commit mass casualty events and we know what the response is (or isn’t) to that
There was NO ICE raid on a school. This information was not correct!!
I’ve been hearing a lot of talk about for profit prisons stocks going up in preparation to hold undocumented immigrants. Is this true/likely? Could you touch on the likelihood that those that are held would not be deported and instead be used as laborers in the fields they were already working but for much lower pay? Essentially slave labor.
It is the only form of slave labor still allowed under the 13th amendment (which has an exception for unpaid labor used as punishment for a crime). This is why our prison system is the largest in the world and why minorities are disproportionately imprisoned at higher rates. Ava Duvernay's documentary 13th is a sobering explainer of this concept.
In case anyone wants to get ahead of this possibility and write your reps, here's what I sent to my house rep (R) and my two senators (both D):
I am deeply concerned with the plans of this administration to conduct mass deportations, from a human rights perspective and from an economic perspective. Undocumented immigrants pay significant amounts into our tax system and social security. They complete labor that Americans are unwilling to do (though they are exploited with extremely low pay due to their inability to negotiate fair rates). Employers seeking American citizens to complete the work that will be left undone will increase costs exponentially. My biggest concern is that mass deportations will not actually take place, but that mass detention in labor camps will—in order to exploit the exception under the 13th amendment that slave labor is permitted in punishment for a crime. Please do everything in your power to stop any actions of this kind. If they want to deport people, deport them. Make American employers figure out how to properly pay Americans to complete the work that needs doing. Do not allow this country to further backslide into allowing slavery—an ongoing injustice of our prison system that has existed since the end of the Civil War and needs to be eradicated entirely. Thank you for all that you do to serve the American people.
The “Left” needs to denounce the absolute disaster of an immigration crisis allowed to run rampant under the Biden Administration! I am beyond sick of hearing “but who will pick our crops, who will clean our houses”?? This is the exact same cry by former slave owners asking “now who will pick my cotton” upon the freeing of the slaves. Even Bishop Budde last week echoed these exact words!! There needs to be acknowledgment of the entire debacle. Too many immigrants were allowed across our borders, women and children housed next to unvetted men, and for what? To come here and struggle and work for subpar wages. The amount of money wasted not to mention the unnecessary burdens placed on cities, infrastructures, etc is appalling. The process has got to be fixed and it would be nice to hear those on the Left offer some solutions instead of more whining and complaining. How this was allowed to happen is a travesty on every level.
Allexis, I have heard that, too. It’s horrible but I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens. Trump said he will bring down grocery prices. That would help do it. It’s not a good thing. 😢
It’s only day four. The next four years will be hell for all of us.
Thank you for being a great explainer.
Thank you Sharon! I loved this format.
Any other Harry Potter fans being reminded of Umbridge’s Educational Decrees with all of Trump’s EO’s???