Thank you for these facts, Sharon! It's sad to me how many people champion RFK. He has no integrity, made clear by his history and the fact that he jumped around parties looking for a position during the election. He fooled a lot of parents into thinking he would be a champion for their children when in reality, he is an expert of nothing and another in a long list of unqualified nominees. I was almost sick reading about the potential of making drug companies liable for injury, the very thing that would NEVER be done towards gun manufacturers, even though we fail our children every time another is hunted in their school during a mass shooting (which, sorry Elon, has nothing to do with antidepressants). All of this to say, I have little to no faith RFK will do anything that actually makes my children safer.
Yes, Mgk5811, thank you! I literally screamed, “it’s the Guns!” When I read this. Why do people want to believe it’s everything except that? Even RFK, Jr.!?!
As someone who is the caregiver for my 75 year old mom who has RA and a history of cancer, I’m deeply concerned about changes to Medicare. I know Sharon didn’t go into it here, but Project 2025’s desired changes to Medicare (a move to privatized Medicare) and ACA rules like coverage for pre-existing conditions makes me really nervous. I ultimately don’t trust that there are educated, compassionate adults making decisions for millions of lives.
So far, there are certainly not any educated, compassionate adults in this administration. Please keep speaking up and out for you, your mother, and all vulnerable people. I am with you!
I wonder if the fear of Medicare being privatized is a potential bright spot for RFK being in the picture. I am no expert on any of this (although I did just read a very helpful article about it by Sharon McMahon).
The goals of Project 2025 seem to be in direct conflict to RFK’s hatred of the medical establishment. Not only that, but as Sharon points out, there isn’t a whole lot that the head of HHS can do that RFK seems to think he can do, an exception being managing medicare. I find it hard to believe he would be into any rules that takes medical care further away from patients’ decisions and empowers insurers, and that might be a way he fortunately would have some control. Just looking for a little hope here…
It's baffling to me that anyone thinks this man is fit to ruin HHS, as he has no medical or scientific qualifications. He merely says whatever he feels, and that's NOT how a science- based governmental agency should be run. Positions of power shouldn't be given to someone just because they threw money or support behind the candidate; they should be given to those who are uniquely QUALIFIED. I'm very worried for the future of our country.
As a second Trump presidency begins to unfold and cabinet picks are revealed I can’t help but think of something Brene Brown has said about power. She speaks about power over vs power with or power to. President elect Trump’s cabinet picks are feeling like power over kind of individuals rather than power with or power to (as in; We the People…) individuals.
I am putting this thought out there wondering if I am alone in my thinking. Also, I want to express my continued gratitude to Sharon for her time in compiling these articles. It gives me a sense of calm to better understand the facts and know that knowledge is power and can lend itself to reasonable thought and judgment.
You are absolutely not alone. Power over is exactly how to describe trump and his administration. Ironically, this concept is also taught in parenting, and I'll give you a guess which style is most damaging to children and their developing brain...
I’m a farmer, and my background is in public health. This nomination *terrifies* me. RJK Jr’s actions could have long-term negative implications for generations to come. Ask any elderly person what it was like before we had vaccines for polio and measles & how many of their friends were gravely sick, permanently injured, or died. Ask them how often infants and children became severely ill or died from consuming raw milk. Vaccines and pasteurization save lives. We need to restore trust in the scientific community. RFK Jr —someone who touts conspiracy theories related to health—is not it.
Additionally, as someone who uses a USDA facility to process our pastured poultry, I know that regulations for food safety are there for a reason!! Rolling back regulations on food safety will only contribute to more food borne illnesses.
Yes Sara!! Thank you for sharing your practical, real world experience. The work of our public health professionals is so important, but believing in conspiracy theories is so much more fun for people. It's maddening!
When I knew nothing, I was pro vaccine. Then I learned a little bit, and I became anti vaccine (“vaccine skeptic” if you like). Then I learned a bit more and I realized that my amateur knowledge is no match for the decades and centuries of the collective wisdom of scientists developed through (real) research and practice. Scientific consensus is not a meaningless catchphrase, but a real and powerful concept integral to learning and development of treatments and cures. Yes, pharmaceutical companies exist to make a profit (hello capitalism). And by the way, the supplement industry makes $6 TRILLION a year and has no regulations to protect consumers. But did you know that vaccines actually make up a very small portion of their annual revenues (feel free to fact check me on this)? The reason we do not hold pharmaceuticals financially liable for (totally legitimate, but RARE) vaccine injury complaints is because the incentive to create vaccines would disappear. And we (society as a whole) desperately need them to continue that work.
Yes! Exactly where I'm at, pro vaccine, then vaccine skeptic, pro supplement, and then I realized, wow, I'm a total amateur and no match for the collective knowledge of science and I felt duped!
I'm always amazed when people talk about the big, bad pharmaceutical companies and only out for money, and I tell them...yes...you're just now figuring this out? They are FOR-profit! At least they are regulated, unlike the supplement and wellness industry when we get every Tom, Dick and Harriet hanging out in a grocery telling us what's good and bad with absolutely NO evidence to back anything up creating fear and distrust.
Also, I'm in no way saying that everything works perfectly with our government agencies or Congress or big business. We definitely have issues that need to be addressed.
Of course! Agree on every point. I do think more transparency will help tamp down fear. But I also think that voices like RFKs don't need to be heard, because people are simply too overwhelmed with information (both good & bad) to be able to rightly divide and discern what is factual. I know that's a controversial opinion, but we've seen with our own eyes that cream doesn't necessarily rise to the top in our public discourse, and too many people with absurd, baseless opinions are platformed and empowered.
Thank you for the insight, Sharon. Great job covering some basics of RFK, Jr. I think you are just touching the surface of the issues with him being in charge of anything. I appreciate the discussion on what he can or cannot do on his own. In my view, this cabinet pick was solely so Trump could garner up the RFK votes. Things that RFK Jr. want to do are in complete opposition to the Republican platform of deregulation for big businesses. The things that RFK Jr. wants to do will require regulation of large food companies, pharmaceuticals, etc. It makes no sense.
I actually was in that "group" for a while, for lack of a better word. When you have kids, it's easy to go down the rabbit hole as you are trying to do the best for your kids, and I was right there. I have micropreemies, born at 24 weeks weighing 1 lb each at birth, and it was incredibly scary and once they came home from the hospital, I found myself just believing things without really checking things out due to the fear created about chemicals and food, etc.
I actually credit Covid for getting me out of that fearful state of chemophobia and pseudoscience. I think Operation Warp Speed is actually one of the things that Trump did right! The vaccine being produced quickly was a direct result of him removing bureaucratic barriers and allowing phases to happen simultaneously to shorten the timeframe. It was because of Covid that I really dug into the science behind vaccines and for the first time, I really understood them and why they are so important to public health. From this it started me questioning all that I believed. I learned that one really needs to look at what the whole body of evidence is saying and that you don't just automatically believe something just because a doctor says it especially when it comes to scientific study as most aren't really trained in it. I also realized that I, and really no lay person, is qualified to recognize whether a study is good or not. It really takes so much scientific training to understand. I feel like I was duped and finally got back to the place of logic.
Anyway, I have evolved, lol. RFK Jr. is a danger to public health. He may have some good ideas here and there, but the fact that he blatantly spews untruths about HIV and whatever else he just lobs out there, makes him totally unqualified. Also, more SA allegations? How many are we up to now?
Hello fellow micro momma. My daughter was 1 lb 7 oz and while I didn’t go down the same path, the trauma from having children in the NICU can absolutely be manipulated. Just targeting our kids’ health in general is manipulative. Even with gun control, people are manipulated into believing that more guns are what is safe even when data shows otherwise. Fear is a great way to control.
Amazing story and somewhat similar to my own journey (though it happened years before Covid). My thought processes were similarly transformed. Hopeful for others to experience this awakening to evidence based thinking.
He seems not to have met a conspiracy theory that he didn't like. Maintenance Phase did an excellent multi-part series about RFK Jr*, and I do have a tremendous amount of empathy for RFK Jr and the life experiences that shaped him: is it so unexpected to turn to conspiracies when both your uncle and dad were assassinated like they were?
His casual comments about putting people with ADHD into labor camps, and about COVID being designed to not affect Jewish people, make this a non-starter for me and not something I will accept debate on. Letters to my Senators have been sent and will continue to be until he is out of the running.
Hi Amanda. I asked this on another thread, but where did he say that about putting people with ADHD into labor camps? I can't find that anywhere. thanks
Amanda, there is no code nor will they be made to pick crops.
From the article you said was your source:
"On the farms, he said, residents would grow their own organic food—which would help them recover from addiction, “because a lot of the behavioral issues are food related. A lot of the illnesses are food related.”
Thanks for sharing some parts of RFK’s journey and stance. I could, and have, cried over this movement. Those of us with vaccine injuries and also living with chronic illnesses- feel heard for the first time! I am so excited about the potential for him shaking things up in a space that desperately needs it. Vaccine companies should absolutely be held accountable for any injuries.
In my opinion- the Harris campaign and democrats messed up by not even having discussions with him. He has so much courage to speak out with unpopular opinions and has risked so much by doing so.
RFK and his movement give me such hope in changes for our country and children’s health.
I know some of you love to see links! :) Here are some other links to share about RFK- not sure if they are behind a pay wall.
Thanks for sharing these links, Amy! I am so sorry to read about your experience of vaccine injury. I think the Free Press article makes some good points. I don’t disagree that there are improvements to be made - I just don’t know that RFK, Jr is the right person for the job given his lack of experience in research and the scientific process, as well as his history of profiting from some of his ideas. I am sharing a link from Immunologic if you care to read - I’d love to hear your thoughts.
Thank you for sharing this as well. As someone who also experienced a significant (and rare) side-effect from a routine vaccination such that it derailed much of my teen years, I do understand the level of anger and wariness that scenario can cause. I also agree that we need better science education and public health communication, and I think there are probably actual experts who support many of the reasonable things that RFK says...and none of the kooky stuff. Putting him in charge of HHS seems like a return on the favor of bringing over his voters: as with many of Trump's appointees, there are far more qualified people who could have been put into that role.
Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate you sharing a link to this post. I found it difficult to read, to be honest. I don't want to debate about another post - but believe that post needs some fact checking (specifically about glyphosate). But I appreciate you sharing and being kind in your response.
No debate here. I just wanted to encourage you to click the links about glyphosate in the Immunologic article Jessica shared. Dr Andrea Love is an immunologist and microbiologist and she is a wealth of knowledge and study. Her information helped me come to terms with my chemophobia and the misinformation I’d been believing for years. She also has a podcast with a public health scientist called Unbiased Science that is very informative and helpful.
Just a quick note: Dr. Love parted ways with Dr. Steier (Unbiased Science) earlier this year. Unbiased Science is currently being run by Dr. Jess Steier and Dr. Sarah Scheinman.
No debate necessary ☺️I would be more than open to hearing your thoughts on glyphosate (and anything else you thought about the article) but understand where you’re coming from, especially in a public space.
It has been fascinating to see how much we are affected by our life experiences (myself included), and how those experiences impact things like politics. I’ve enjoyed reading your responses on Sharon’s articles, even if they make me uncomfortable (only because they often challenge my current beliefs).
Thank you, Jessica. :) I am uncomfortable all the time in the comments section here. Lol. But I love that people like you and Emily provide facts and challenge my thinking and opinions. I have gained such understanding of other people’s thoughts and experiences.
I also appreciate your willingness to share your experiences, Amy. When people who are polite, open-minded, and respectful—like you!—share that you are hopeful, and why, it makes me much more willing to learn about differing viewpoints, and to feel less afraid. Thank you 🙏
Oh, I see your #1, go-to source to support your views is once again an opinion piece from Bari Weiss’s The Free Press. By the way, you never responded to my question about how this organization is different from the corporate media you continually deride. I’ll answer it for you: they both have CEOs and CFOs, boards of directors and wealthy investors. The biggest difference I could find is that Bari Weiss accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak in front of different groups, something no reputable, working journalist would ever do due to conflict of interest issues and appearance of impropriety. And the opinion piece you cite to support this non-medically or scientifically-trained, conspiracy-theory driven kook to a cabinet position that could directly affect the quality of life for millions? The author starts off with raw milk and basically likens it to cigarette smoking, saying some people like raw milk and should be able to drink it in spite of the health risks. I could not care less if people get to drink raw milk or not and it’s a terrible reason to support the appointment of someone so unqualified. Then he goes into Kennedy’s completely unsupported theories on vaccine/autism links and calls them dangerous, because when there is absolutely zero scientific or medical evidence to support a theory, there is no way to spin it otherwise. Then we revisit Covid, HIV and of course fruit loops but the author’s conclusion on Kennedy is basically that yes, he has whacko and dangerous beliefs but a few things he spouts “are well within the bounds of discussion.” Wow, what an extremely low bar for one of the most important positions in our government. In the fine print at the very bottom of the piece is a link to another piece by the former dean of Harvard Medical School, who comes to a far different conclusion regarding many of Kennedy’s beliefs: “This is scientific ignorance, not the healthy skepticism that some supporters allege. No one who asserts such nonsense should be at the helm of Health and Human Services.”
I’m very sorry you don’t have the energy to debate critical issues but you have more than enough energy to support people and policies that dehumanize and divide and expose all of us to the risks of so much. And of course, throw out the “B” word whenever your statements and sources are challenged. So ironic, as the entire Trump campaign and governing modus operandi you support is one giant ball of bullying: fall in line or else, if you don’t agree with me you’re just stupid or dangerous, I’m sending the military after Democrats, I’m yanking your license because you didn’t say nice things, approve my cabinet picks or Elon will fund your primary challenger, etc., etc., etc, ad nauseam.
I agree, I’m excited. Ignore the bullies. They don’t seem to understand Sharon’s message of not having to agree with others but simply moving on is an option. I simply don’t have time or the desire to satisfy their every derogatory comments so mostly don’t post. We don’t all think alike. If The Preamble is meant to be wholly one sided then that objective should be stated so all followers of a like mind can throw a party and agree with everything everyone posts. The government needs new ideas and I’m all for it. Status quo is failing. All my opinion. No links to other people’s opinions so don’t ask for them.
Hi Amy, Interesting - and very sorry to hear about your medical issues! I wonder how you square his embrace of dangerous conspiracy theories (as the Free Press opinion piece states) with him being qualified for this job?
And while I understand you personally had a reaction to a vaccine, how do you think vaccines can work for the rest of the population if they aren't required in most cases, and if it's too costly for drug companies to make them due to unending lawsuits? One doesn't have to have credible evidence of harm to sue.
Also, House in Habit is a self proclaimed gossip columnist who enjoys 'credible conspiracy theories'?
Holy moly. I didn't even know Ghislaine Maxwell apologists/super fans existed. And this person is personally connected to RFK and Trump? And Maxwell's friends run a RFK super PAC that HIH is the head of social media for? My head is spinning.
Yep! And her latest project is working on polishing up Alex Jones' image. I would not recommend giving her content any engagement but, with how deeply siloed our information ecosystems can be, I do think it's important to be aware of influencers like her who may be well outside of our algorithms but that are really working to move the needle on these conversations in potentially troubling directions. She's using her massive reach to "just ask questions" and all that...
I don’t agree with all the conspiracy theories that RFK has been involved in. But I believe he will help more than he harms. I believe in his mission. I also believe we need someone like him to shake up an entire system that is failing in many areas. Our current secretary of health and human services doesn’t appear to be more qualified that RFK, Jr.
House Inhabit isn’t for everyone- but I personally prefer hearing first hand accounts of character and personalities. She has a unique perspective that is refreshing. She spent a year on the campaign trail with RFK and part of the year with Trump. I base my opinions on those facts - along with listening to long form interviews with RFK Jr.
I have trouble accepting the idea that he’ll do more help than harm when he has publicly said that COVID was designed to skip Ashkenazi Jews, and that people with ADHD should be put into labor camps. As a member of both groups, the anti-Semitism and casual reference to camps are a combination I cannot accept in an ethical society.
Yeah, just totally whack things to say. My husband is Ashkenazi and has had covid more than I have. Guess it's not working very well in our household. We're all ADHD too.
Hi Amanda. Can you share the links, specifically the transcript or event details on when he said these things? I know that there were reports of him saying things about what someone else quoted him on, but I can't find the actually comments from RFK. I'm also not familiar with him suggesting ADHD should be in labor camps. Was this what you are referring to?
Sharon linked to the video where he made these comments in this article: “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
Hi Amy, I, too, have enjoyed Jessica from @HouseInhabit during the past season. Her firsthand documenting and access to the behind-the-scenes happenings was interesting especially compared to the MSM. I also admire her openness about her evolution in the political space.
It is so helpful to see all of this info in one place, thank you for writing this! I’m trying not to be overly anxious or worried since we don’t know exactly what will happen, but feeling especially concerned about vaccine access and food safety.
I hope he and all of Trump's appointees actually go through the approval process. Trump has proposed bypassing the process using the Recess Appointment Clause. He will do anything to ram his horrible nominees through.
I am again so devastated and frightened by this choice for an important position. I have had hormone driven breast cancer and have much younger and dear friends who also fight this deadly disease. The Covid vaccine jumpstarted many clinical trials for vaccines to stop this horror. RFK could stop them and doom us to years more of fighting and dying when a cure is almost there. It is more of what this administration brings- putting dread where there had been hope. I know there are those who have reactions to vaccines- this is tragic- but the overwhelming majority of our population benefits from them.
I agree with this sentiment. He also stated he would like to give research on infectious disease a “break for about 8 years” which is incredibly concerning and would put the US light years behind in the event of another pandemic.
Hi Theresa. I don’t believe he is trying to remove vaccines. He doesn’t support mandatory vaccines and is very much a supporter of informed consent. As Sharon quoted “If vaccines are working for somebody, I’m not going to take them away. People ought to have choice, and that choice ought to be informed by the best information”
But what if insurance no longer covers these things because of his policies. Then you can get a vaccine but it’s $1K? More? Hopefully less? People with cancer already have exceptionally high expenses
I just remember back in the heat if Covid rFK was throwing large anti vax rallies. That angered me because of the multitude of people dying of Covid and healthcare workers trying to care for folks to their own detriment. Anyone who spreads disinformation to large groups is complicit in harm. You too Joe Rogan and so many others out there. Also I don’t appreciate that RFK chose to bargain off democracy by filing voters away from Harris and to Trump for RFKs own personal quest for power.
I had 3 grandparents pass from COVID and I won’t lie - it really strikes a nerve when I hear others spread misinformation about it (COVID isn’t real, they’re altering death certificates, doctors are being paid to diagnose COVID). The fact that RFK, Jr helped fund “Plandemic” is incredibly upsetting.
So sorry about your grandparents… my great niece lost her grandma who was a major caretaker for her and a lovely human (and probably just in early 50’s)
Good point Amy. That would have been an interesting turn. I think my issue with many of the things trump does is it is always Quid Pro Quo. “ you get a cabinet seat if you stop your campaign and join mine. I don’t think Harris is overtly Quid Pro Quo-ing 🧐I will check out the post by Marianne Williamson. Thank you.
I believe it was a mistake that the Harris campaign didn't give RFK an opportunity to work together. I don't think he wanted to go with Trump, but did want the opportunity to pursue his work. If RFK Jr would have been welcomed or even treated differently, by Harris campaign and democrats, it may have resulted in a different outcome. Even if the Harris campaign addressed the issues that RFK brought up, that may have made a difference with voters.
Also interesting perspective by Marianne Williamson who agrees with how the media and the democrats treated RFK. This was recorded before the election. Williamson voted for Harris for what it's worth.
Oh Sharon you are a Godsend! Thanks for the Informative article on JFK. I listen to your TED TALK on American Democracy as an Adult Bedtime Story to sooth me to sleep some nights. I recommend everyone watch it. I love your podcast. I put Jamil Zaki's quote on my wall. I loved the recent one about Harriet Tubman, and the lady who said she knew she had Sojuenier Truth on one shoulder, and Harriet Tubman on the other, when she refused to go to the back of the bus. WOW! KellyAnnStillHoping for Democracy and Sanity. You give me HOPE Sharon!
Thank you for this article. It kind of calms my fears about what actually could happen. My son is pursuing a PhD in BioChemistry and we’ve been talking about this nominee for weeks now. I remember when this same son was in elementary school and Michelle Obama tried to help with childhood obesity. She was met with a lot of resistance…
Thank you for these facts, Sharon! It's sad to me how many people champion RFK. He has no integrity, made clear by his history and the fact that he jumped around parties looking for a position during the election. He fooled a lot of parents into thinking he would be a champion for their children when in reality, he is an expert of nothing and another in a long list of unqualified nominees. I was almost sick reading about the potential of making drug companies liable for injury, the very thing that would NEVER be done towards gun manufacturers, even though we fail our children every time another is hunted in their school during a mass shooting (which, sorry Elon, has nothing to do with antidepressants). All of this to say, I have little to no faith RFK will do anything that actually makes my children safer.
Yes, Mgk5811, thank you! I literally screamed, “it’s the Guns!” When I read this. Why do people want to believe it’s everything except that? Even RFK, Jr.!?!
As someone who is the caregiver for my 75 year old mom who has RA and a history of cancer, I’m deeply concerned about changes to Medicare. I know Sharon didn’t go into it here, but Project 2025’s desired changes to Medicare (a move to privatized Medicare) and ACA rules like coverage for pre-existing conditions makes me really nervous. I ultimately don’t trust that there are educated, compassionate adults making decisions for millions of lives.
So far, there are certainly not any educated, compassionate adults in this administration. Please keep speaking up and out for you, your mother, and all vulnerable people. I am with you!
I wonder if the fear of Medicare being privatized is a potential bright spot for RFK being in the picture. I am no expert on any of this (although I did just read a very helpful article about it by Sharon McMahon).
The goals of Project 2025 seem to be in direct conflict to RFK’s hatred of the medical establishment. Not only that, but as Sharon points out, there isn’t a whole lot that the head of HHS can do that RFK seems to think he can do, an exception being managing medicare. I find it hard to believe he would be into any rules that takes medical care further away from patients’ decisions and empowers insurers, and that might be a way he fortunately would have some control. Just looking for a little hope here…
It's baffling to me that anyone thinks this man is fit to ruin HHS, as he has no medical or scientific qualifications. He merely says whatever he feels, and that's NOT how a science- based governmental agency should be run. Positions of power shouldn't be given to someone just because they threw money or support behind the candidate; they should be given to those who are uniquely QUALIFIED. I'm very worried for the future of our country.
Maria, and worried for the world. We are all connected.
As a second Trump presidency begins to unfold and cabinet picks are revealed I can’t help but think of something Brene Brown has said about power. She speaks about power over vs power with or power to. President elect Trump’s cabinet picks are feeling like power over kind of individuals rather than power with or power to (as in; We the People…) individuals.
I am putting this thought out there wondering if I am alone in my thinking. Also, I want to express my continued gratitude to Sharon for her time in compiling these articles. It gives me a sense of calm to better understand the facts and know that knowledge is power and can lend itself to reasonable thought and judgment.
You are absolutely not alone. Power over is exactly how to describe trump and his administration. Ironically, this concept is also taught in parenting, and I'll give you a guess which style is most damaging to children and their developing brain...
Nori, I am also grateful for all of the people that share their insights with respect in these comments.
I’m a farmer, and my background is in public health. This nomination *terrifies* me. RJK Jr’s actions could have long-term negative implications for generations to come. Ask any elderly person what it was like before we had vaccines for polio and measles & how many of their friends were gravely sick, permanently injured, or died. Ask them how often infants and children became severely ill or died from consuming raw milk. Vaccines and pasteurization save lives. We need to restore trust in the scientific community. RFK Jr —someone who touts conspiracy theories related to health—is not it.
Additionally, as someone who uses a USDA facility to process our pastured poultry, I know that regulations for food safety are there for a reason!! Rolling back regulations on food safety will only contribute to more food borne illnesses.
Yes Sara!! Thank you for sharing your practical, real world experience. The work of our public health professionals is so important, but believing in conspiracy theories is so much more fun for people. It's maddening!
The MAHA movement uses scare tactics/fear/misinformation. It’s so disheartening.
And I just realized I misspelled RFK Jr’s initials (clearly this farmer didn’t have her glasses on when typing 😂)
When I knew nothing, I was pro vaccine. Then I learned a little bit, and I became anti vaccine (“vaccine skeptic” if you like). Then I learned a bit more and I realized that my amateur knowledge is no match for the decades and centuries of the collective wisdom of scientists developed through (real) research and practice. Scientific consensus is not a meaningless catchphrase, but a real and powerful concept integral to learning and development of treatments and cures. Yes, pharmaceutical companies exist to make a profit (hello capitalism). And by the way, the supplement industry makes $6 TRILLION a year and has no regulations to protect consumers. But did you know that vaccines actually make up a very small portion of their annual revenues (feel free to fact check me on this)? The reason we do not hold pharmaceuticals financially liable for (totally legitimate, but RARE) vaccine injury complaints is because the incentive to create vaccines would disappear. And we (society as a whole) desperately need them to continue that work.
Yes! Exactly where I'm at, pro vaccine, then vaccine skeptic, pro supplement, and then I realized, wow, I'm a total amateur and no match for the collective knowledge of science and I felt duped!
I'm always amazed when people talk about the big, bad pharmaceutical companies and only out for money, and I tell them...yes...you're just now figuring this out? They are FOR-profit! At least they are regulated, unlike the supplement and wellness industry when we get every Tom, Dick and Harriet hanging out in a grocery telling us what's good and bad with absolutely NO evidence to back anything up creating fear and distrust.
Also, I'm in no way saying that everything works perfectly with our government agencies or Congress or big business. We definitely have issues that need to be addressed.
Of course! Agree on every point. I do think more transparency will help tamp down fear. But I also think that voices like RFKs don't need to be heard, because people are simply too overwhelmed with information (both good & bad) to be able to rightly divide and discern what is factual. I know that's a controversial opinion, but we've seen with our own eyes that cream doesn't necessarily rise to the top in our public discourse, and too many people with absurd, baseless opinions are platformed and empowered.
Also, it won't let me like your comment :). No idea why.
Thank you for the insight, Sharon. Great job covering some basics of RFK, Jr. I think you are just touching the surface of the issues with him being in charge of anything. I appreciate the discussion on what he can or cannot do on his own. In my view, this cabinet pick was solely so Trump could garner up the RFK votes. Things that RFK Jr. want to do are in complete opposition to the Republican platform of deregulation for big businesses. The things that RFK Jr. wants to do will require regulation of large food companies, pharmaceuticals, etc. It makes no sense.
I actually was in that "group" for a while, for lack of a better word. When you have kids, it's easy to go down the rabbit hole as you are trying to do the best for your kids, and I was right there. I have micropreemies, born at 24 weeks weighing 1 lb each at birth, and it was incredibly scary and once they came home from the hospital, I found myself just believing things without really checking things out due to the fear created about chemicals and food, etc.
I actually credit Covid for getting me out of that fearful state of chemophobia and pseudoscience. I think Operation Warp Speed is actually one of the things that Trump did right! The vaccine being produced quickly was a direct result of him removing bureaucratic barriers and allowing phases to happen simultaneously to shorten the timeframe. It was because of Covid that I really dug into the science behind vaccines and for the first time, I really understood them and why they are so important to public health. From this it started me questioning all that I believed. I learned that one really needs to look at what the whole body of evidence is saying and that you don't just automatically believe something just because a doctor says it especially when it comes to scientific study as most aren't really trained in it. I also realized that I, and really no lay person, is qualified to recognize whether a study is good or not. It really takes so much scientific training to understand. I feel like I was duped and finally got back to the place of logic.
Anyway, I have evolved, lol. RFK Jr. is a danger to public health. He may have some good ideas here and there, but the fact that he blatantly spews untruths about HIV and whatever else he just lobs out there, makes him totally unqualified. Also, more SA allegations? How many are we up to now?
Hello fellow micro momma. My daughter was 1 lb 7 oz and while I didn’t go down the same path, the trauma from having children in the NICU can absolutely be manipulated. Just targeting our kids’ health in general is manipulative. Even with gun control, people are manipulated into believing that more guns are what is safe even when data shows otherwise. Fear is a great way to control.
Amazing story and somewhat similar to my own journey (though it happened years before Covid). My thought processes were similarly transformed. Hopeful for others to experience this awakening to evidence based thinking.
Thank you for such a thoughtful response!
I really appreciate your response and your journey to get here. I hope your babies are doing well.
I find his weird conspiracy theories concerning. Where does he get his information? Hunches?
A huge eye roll to plastics making kids transgender. As if gender diversity hasn't always been with us as a species.
He seems not to have met a conspiracy theory that he didn't like. Maintenance Phase did an excellent multi-part series about RFK Jr*, and I do have a tremendous amount of empathy for RFK Jr and the life experiences that shaped him: is it so unexpected to turn to conspiracies when both your uncle and dad were assassinated like they were?
Dr. Paul Offit, a pediatrician and vaccine expert, has also written about RFK Jr and the ways he's turned his credulous questioning into unsubstantiated claims: https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/the-real-robert-f-kennedy-jr AND https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/robert-f-kennedy-jr-should-stop-talking
*Part 1: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gAXLpusKfBf6bIMlD2mUf
Part 2: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6vUzgcXIqarBL4TBuE7a7a
Part 3: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6CnJXv5OjWXusJQKjVBTG7
His casual comments about putting people with ADHD into labor camps, and about COVID being designed to not affect Jewish people, make this a non-starter for me and not something I will accept debate on. Letters to my Senators have been sent and will continue to be until he is out of the running.
Hi Amanda. I asked this on another thread, but where did he say that about putting people with ADHD into labor camps? I can't find that anywhere. thanks
I have responded in the other thread.
Thanks. Here is the link to the article you are referring to: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2024/07/rfk-jr-wants-to-send-people-on-antidepressants-to-government-wellness-farms/
It doesn't say anything about putting people with ADHD into labor camps.
What on earth do you think a wellness farm is code for? When they’re going to be made to pick crops? Give me a break.
Amanda, there is no code nor will they be made to pick crops.
From the article you said was your source:
"On the farms, he said, residents would grow their own organic food—which would help them recover from addiction, “because a lot of the behavioral issues are food related. A lot of the illnesses are food related.”
Hi so don’t tell Jewish people what is and isn’t code for camps. I’m not continuing this— it’s bizarre. Please don’t engage with me further.
Thanks for sharing some parts of RFK’s journey and stance. I could, and have, cried over this movement. Those of us with vaccine injuries and also living with chronic illnesses- feel heard for the first time! I am so excited about the potential for him shaking things up in a space that desperately needs it. Vaccine companies should absolutely be held accountable for any injuries.
In my opinion- the Harris campaign and democrats messed up by not even having discussions with him. He has so much courage to speak out with unpopular opinions and has risked so much by doing so.
RFK and his movement give me such hope in changes for our country and children’s health.
I know some of you love to see links! :) Here are some other links to share about RFK- not sure if they are behind a pay wall.
Another factual post - https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/rfk-jr-health-human-services-flouride-vaccines-covid-trump-europe?r=fdcgb&utm_medium=ios
Amazing speech when he dropped out of the presidential race -
https://www.youtube.com/live/n15oCfLdmXI?si=oCnPqCN-sfXOwxCA
House Inhabit - who was on the campaign trail with RFK
https://open.substack.com/pub/jessicareedkraus/p/election-eve-in-palm-beach-with-rfk?r=fdcgb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Thanks for sharing these links, Amy! I am so sorry to read about your experience of vaccine injury. I think the Free Press article makes some good points. I don’t disagree that there are improvements to be made - I just don’t know that RFK, Jr is the right person for the job given his lack of experience in research and the scientific process, as well as his history of profiting from some of his ideas. I am sharing a link from Immunologic if you care to read - I’d love to hear your thoughts.
https://open.substack.com/pub/immunologic/p/rfk-jr-as-hhs-secretary-will-be-catastrophic?r=4d8hb&utm_medium=ios
Thank you for sharing this as well. As someone who also experienced a significant (and rare) side-effect from a routine vaccination such that it derailed much of my teen years, I do understand the level of anger and wariness that scenario can cause. I also agree that we need better science education and public health communication, and I think there are probably actual experts who support many of the reasonable things that RFK says...and none of the kooky stuff. Putting him in charge of HHS seems like a return on the favor of bringing over his voters: as with many of Trump's appointees, there are far more qualified people who could have been put into that role.
Dr. Paul Offit also has some personal experience with RFK that I think is worth noting: https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/my-conversation-with-robert-f-kennedy
Thanks for sharing the link, Emily. I think it’s important to hear both sides and I wasn’t familiar with this situation.
Thank you, Jessica. I appreciate you sharing a link to this post. I found it difficult to read, to be honest. I don't want to debate about another post - but believe that post needs some fact checking (specifically about glyphosate). But I appreciate you sharing and being kind in your response.
No debate here. I just wanted to encourage you to click the links about glyphosate in the Immunologic article Jessica shared. Dr Andrea Love is an immunologist and microbiologist and she is a wealth of knowledge and study. Her information helped me come to terms with my chemophobia and the misinformation I’d been believing for years. She also has a podcast with a public health scientist called Unbiased Science that is very informative and helpful.
Just a quick note: Dr. Love parted ways with Dr. Steier (Unbiased Science) earlier this year. Unbiased Science is currently being run by Dr. Jess Steier and Dr. Sarah Scheinman.
Thank you for that clarification.
It’s been a bit since I’ve listened to the podcast.
No debate necessary ☺️I would be more than open to hearing your thoughts on glyphosate (and anything else you thought about the article) but understand where you’re coming from, especially in a public space.
It has been fascinating to see how much we are affected by our life experiences (myself included), and how those experiences impact things like politics. I’ve enjoyed reading your responses on Sharon’s articles, even if they make me uncomfortable (only because they often challenge my current beliefs).
Thank you, Jessica. :) I am uncomfortable all the time in the comments section here. Lol. But I love that people like you and Emily provide facts and challenge my thinking and opinions. I have gained such understanding of other people’s thoughts and experiences.
I also appreciate your willingness to share your experiences, Amy. When people who are polite, open-minded, and respectful—like you!—share that you are hopeful, and why, it makes me much more willing to learn about differing viewpoints, and to feel less afraid. Thank you 🙏
Thank you so much. I appreciate you being kind.
Oh, I see your #1, go-to source to support your views is once again an opinion piece from Bari Weiss’s The Free Press. By the way, you never responded to my question about how this organization is different from the corporate media you continually deride. I’ll answer it for you: they both have CEOs and CFOs, boards of directors and wealthy investors. The biggest difference I could find is that Bari Weiss accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars to speak in front of different groups, something no reputable, working journalist would ever do due to conflict of interest issues and appearance of impropriety. And the opinion piece you cite to support this non-medically or scientifically-trained, conspiracy-theory driven kook to a cabinet position that could directly affect the quality of life for millions? The author starts off with raw milk and basically likens it to cigarette smoking, saying some people like raw milk and should be able to drink it in spite of the health risks. I could not care less if people get to drink raw milk or not and it’s a terrible reason to support the appointment of someone so unqualified. Then he goes into Kennedy’s completely unsupported theories on vaccine/autism links and calls them dangerous, because when there is absolutely zero scientific or medical evidence to support a theory, there is no way to spin it otherwise. Then we revisit Covid, HIV and of course fruit loops but the author’s conclusion on Kennedy is basically that yes, he has whacko and dangerous beliefs but a few things he spouts “are well within the bounds of discussion.” Wow, what an extremely low bar for one of the most important positions in our government. In the fine print at the very bottom of the piece is a link to another piece by the former dean of Harvard Medical School, who comes to a far different conclusion regarding many of Kennedy’s beliefs: “This is scientific ignorance, not the healthy skepticism that some supporters allege. No one who asserts such nonsense should be at the helm of Health and Human Services.”
Hi Kate. I have no energy to debate with you as you quickly turn to bullying.
I’m very sorry you don’t have the energy to debate critical issues but you have more than enough energy to support people and policies that dehumanize and divide and expose all of us to the risks of so much. And of course, throw out the “B” word whenever your statements and sources are challenged. So ironic, as the entire Trump campaign and governing modus operandi you support is one giant ball of bullying: fall in line or else, if you don’t agree with me you’re just stupid or dangerous, I’m sending the military after Democrats, I’m yanking your license because you didn’t say nice things, approve my cabinet picks or Elon will fund your primary challenger, etc., etc., etc, ad nauseam.
Always!!
I agree, I’m excited. Ignore the bullies. They don’t seem to understand Sharon’s message of not having to agree with others but simply moving on is an option. I simply don’t have time or the desire to satisfy their every derogatory comments so mostly don’t post. We don’t all think alike. If The Preamble is meant to be wholly one sided then that objective should be stated so all followers of a like mind can throw a party and agree with everything everyone posts. The government needs new ideas and I’m all for it. Status quo is failing. All my opinion. No links to other people’s opinions so don’t ask for them.
YES. Exactly this. Thank you! And you as well, other Amy!
Thank you, Amy!
😊 you just made me LOL!!
I'm very excited! Completely agree. I love Sharon's message that understanding doesn't mean you agree.
Hi Amy, Interesting - and very sorry to hear about your medical issues! I wonder how you square his embrace of dangerous conspiracy theories (as the Free Press opinion piece states) with him being qualified for this job?
And while I understand you personally had a reaction to a vaccine, how do you think vaccines can work for the rest of the population if they aren't required in most cases, and if it's too costly for drug companies to make them due to unending lawsuits? One doesn't have to have credible evidence of harm to sue.
Also, House in Habit is a self proclaimed gossip columnist who enjoys 'credible conspiracy theories'?
"House in Habit is a self proclaimed gossip columnist who enjoys 'credible conspiracy theories'?"
She also just makes things up: https://natalieabruzon.substack.com/p/olivia-nuzzi-house-inhabit-and-the and has a troubling pattern of misogyny: https://www.reddit.com/r/HouseOnFire/wiki/index/
Holy moly. I didn't even know Ghislaine Maxwell apologists/super fans existed. And this person is personally connected to RFK and Trump? And Maxwell's friends run a RFK super PAC that HIH is the head of social media for? My head is spinning.
Yep! And her latest project is working on polishing up Alex Jones' image. I would not recommend giving her content any engagement but, with how deeply siloed our information ecosystems can be, I do think it's important to be aware of influencers like her who may be well outside of our algorithms but that are really working to move the needle on these conversations in potentially troubling directions. She's using her massive reach to "just ask questions" and all that...
I don’t agree with all the conspiracy theories that RFK has been involved in. But I believe he will help more than he harms. I believe in his mission. I also believe we need someone like him to shake up an entire system that is failing in many areas. Our current secretary of health and human services doesn’t appear to be more qualified that RFK, Jr.
House Inhabit isn’t for everyone- but I personally prefer hearing first hand accounts of character and personalities. She has a unique perspective that is refreshing. She spent a year on the campaign trail with RFK and part of the year with Trump. I base my opinions on those facts - along with listening to long form interviews with RFK Jr.
I have trouble accepting the idea that he’ll do more help than harm when he has publicly said that COVID was designed to skip Ashkenazi Jews, and that people with ADHD should be put into labor camps. As a member of both groups, the anti-Semitism and casual reference to camps are a combination I cannot accept in an ethical society.
Yeah, just totally whack things to say. My husband is Ashkenazi and has had covid more than I have. Guess it's not working very well in our household. We're all ADHD too.
Hi Amanda. Can you share the links, specifically the transcript or event details on when he said these things? I know that there were reports of him saying things about what someone else quoted him on, but I can't find the actually comments from RFK. I'm also not familiar with him suggesting ADHD should be in labor camps. Was this what you are referring to?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-yes-rfk-jr-030000179.html
Sharon linked to the video where he made these comments in this article: “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”
https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/
Thanks - I completely missed that!
Amy, thank you for sharing your experiences and information. Information is power, but experience is persuasion.
RFK, Jr.’s transactional nomination shouldn’t keep us from examining facts.
Hi Gina. Completely agree! We should continue to challenge and research even if the person we support is “in charge”.
Especially those “in charge.”
Facts don’t change depending on who’s in charge.
Agree!
Hi Amy, I, too, have enjoyed Jessica from @HouseInhabit during the past season. Her firsthand documenting and access to the behind-the-scenes happenings was interesting especially compared to the MSM. I also admire her openness about her evolution in the political space.
I agree. I love her style and sense of humor.
It is so helpful to see all of this info in one place, thank you for writing this! I’m trying not to be overly anxious or worried since we don’t know exactly what will happen, but feeling especially concerned about vaccine access and food safety.
This has to be the dumbest and potentially most dangerous of all the potential appointments. I pray he doesn’t get confirmed.
I hope he and all of Trump's appointees actually go through the approval process. Trump has proposed bypassing the process using the Recess Appointment Clause. He will do anything to ram his horrible nominees through.
I know. I’m right there with you. It is so bad for democracy and some people just don’t see it.
I am again so devastated and frightened by this choice for an important position. I have had hormone driven breast cancer and have much younger and dear friends who also fight this deadly disease. The Covid vaccine jumpstarted many clinical trials for vaccines to stop this horror. RFK could stop them and doom us to years more of fighting and dying when a cure is almost there. It is more of what this administration brings- putting dread where there had been hope. I know there are those who have reactions to vaccines- this is tragic- but the overwhelming majority of our population benefits from them.
I agree with this sentiment. He also stated he would like to give research on infectious disease a “break for about 8 years” which is incredibly concerning and would put the US light years behind in the event of another pandemic.
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/science-research-policy/2024/11/15/what-robert-f-kennedy-jr-has-said-about-nih
Hi Theresa. I don’t believe he is trying to remove vaccines. He doesn’t support mandatory vaccines and is very much a supporter of informed consent. As Sharon quoted “If vaccines are working for somebody, I’m not going to take them away. People ought to have choice, and that choice ought to be informed by the best information”
But what if insurance no longer covers these things because of his policies. Then you can get a vaccine but it’s $1K? More? Hopefully less? People with cancer already have exceptionally high expenses
It is such a broken system - that hopefully can be adjusted should vaccine schedules be changed.
I just remember back in the heat if Covid rFK was throwing large anti vax rallies. That angered me because of the multitude of people dying of Covid and healthcare workers trying to care for folks to their own detriment. Anyone who spreads disinformation to large groups is complicit in harm. You too Joe Rogan and so many others out there. Also I don’t appreciate that RFK chose to bargain off democracy by filing voters away from Harris and to Trump for RFKs own personal quest for power.
I had 3 grandparents pass from COVID and I won’t lie - it really strikes a nerve when I hear others spread misinformation about it (COVID isn’t real, they’re altering death certificates, doctors are being paid to diagnose COVID). The fact that RFK, Jr helped fund “Plandemic” is incredibly upsetting.
So sorry about your grandparents… my great niece lost her grandma who was a major caretaker for her and a lovely human (and probably just in early 50’s)
I’m so sorry to hear that! She was so young 😔
I am so, so sorry about your grandparents 💔🕯️🕯️🕯️
Thanks, Emily! I really appreciate it.
Good point Amy. That would have been an interesting turn. I think my issue with many of the things trump does is it is always Quid Pro Quo. “ you get a cabinet seat if you stop your campaign and join mine. I don’t think Harris is overtly Quid Pro Quo-ing 🧐I will check out the post by Marianne Williamson. Thank you.
I believe it was a mistake that the Harris campaign didn't give RFK an opportunity to work together. I don't think he wanted to go with Trump, but did want the opportunity to pursue his work. If RFK Jr would have been welcomed or even treated differently, by Harris campaign and democrats, it may have resulted in a different outcome. Even if the Harris campaign addressed the issues that RFK brought up, that may have made a difference with voters.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-attempted-to-arrange-meeting-with-kamala-harris-sources-say/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/politics/rfk-jr-harris-administration-role/index.html
Also interesting perspective by Marianne Williamson who agrees with how the media and the democrats treated RFK. This was recorded before the election. Williamson voted for Harris for what it's worth.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_B2fmUM1vK/?igsh=dTY5YnhyaW5zdzNt
Oh Sharon you are a Godsend! Thanks for the Informative article on JFK. I listen to your TED TALK on American Democracy as an Adult Bedtime Story to sooth me to sleep some nights. I recommend everyone watch it. I love your podcast. I put Jamil Zaki's quote on my wall. I loved the recent one about Harriet Tubman, and the lady who said she knew she had Sojuenier Truth on one shoulder, and Harriet Tubman on the other, when she refused to go to the back of the bus. WOW! KellyAnnStillHoping for Democracy and Sanity. You give me HOPE Sharon!
Thank you for this article. It kind of calms my fears about what actually could happen. My son is pursuing a PhD in BioChemistry and we’ve been talking about this nominee for weeks now. I remember when this same son was in elementary school and Michelle Obama tried to help with childhood obesity. She was met with a lot of resistance…