Thankfully, no candidate supports Project 2025. Trump came out this week and said Project 2025 is "absolutely ridiculous". I think we need to stop giving so much weight and credit to it. I have yet to meet any conservative who supports it. I don't like the fear mongering over something so unrealistic, it shows paranoia akin to the far-right.
Thankfully, no candidate supports Project 2025. Trump came out this week and said Project 2025 is "absolutely ridiculous". I think we need to stop giving so much weight and credit to it. I have yet to meet any conservative who supports it. I don't like the fear mongering over something so unrealistic, it shows paranoia akin to the far-right.
I took Trump’s denial as, “Oops, my bad! I better deny any knowledge of P2025 so I won’t lose voters.” Interesting that some of the creators of this worked in the Trump WH.
What a mess - two undesirable candidates and our country at a crossroads.
These are ALL the things that Trump wanted to do during his first term but did not have the game plan or the runway to accomplish. Now, he has a court on his side and a clear, step-by-step plan. He knows if he installs actual Civil Servants into cabinet positions like he did last time, they will stop him from his most terrible impulses. But if he installs loyalists no one will dare stop him. He has an outline for calling up the National Guard to squash protests, something that he asked about more than 3x during his first Presidency. Also, ask yourself, what did you think was not possible a few years ago that has come true? Some of the aspects of 2025 may be beyond the pale for some congressmen, so they will push back, but a lot of the talking points are plans that Trump Wants with a capital "W."
I agree with you Rachel but I also have had my mouth hit the floor when hearing what the Supreme Court has passed or undone more than once. I’m saddened at what is happening to us and it causes me concern.
Yes, I can see him seeing all the pushback on it and then distancing himself. So I agree. But that is what I'm saying, I don't see any candidate wanting anything to do with it. It's Qanon level thinking which I don't think will ever come to fruition.
Also let's say #1 is true...a little troubling that the guy who may be Prez again is so uniformed. I call major BS. I think he's catering to the centrist vote. He's already got the far right vote. Then if P2025 is a lucrative endeavor, he'll support it if he's elected.
Exactly! And I find it hard to believe that no conservatives are on board either with Project 2025. Literal majority of past staff that worked in the Trump administration have helped develop this doctrine. That’s not hyperbole or fear mongering. Trump is a known liar and will say anything to be elected again. So him saying I don’t know what it is - another lie.
Yes, Trump literally cannot speak without throwing in a lie or exaggeration. It's like his trademark at this point haha. But MY point is all this talk about Project 2025 is starting to sound like the paranoid far-right. Thats the whole premise about the far-right is they are terrified of things happening induced by that left that will literally probably never happen.
Sharon has said herself that the founders of P2025 have an excellent track record for getting their initiatives taken up by politicians. I do think some of the more dramatic of potential P2025 outcomes are becoming conspiratorial, but you can’t deny that accomplishment of even the minor projects would have rather disturbing consequences. It is completely fair to raise the alarm bell on this.
It may _sound_ like the paranoid far right, but all we need to do is read it. Like Sharon did. Like many people have who are trying to tell us what it says. There could literally be a talking point from every day until the election from that document. And probably beyond that date, but we only have until that date.
It _is_ crazy overall. That doesn't mean we are paranoid nor conspiracy theorists if we are concerned. We have evidence right in front of us.
Saying that Trump "says" that he doesn't know about it and that we are conspiracy thinkers is a gaslighting statement actually. It's certainly not what I personally want to see happening in the country.
As far as whether to believe Trump when he says he doesn't know anything about it, I say again, read it. His name is in it repeatedly. Like in the hundreds of times.
Trump denies _whatever_ is politically expedient for him to deny. It is not only him lying, it is him trying to deceive us and make us relax and sit back so he can get what he wants, which is power. That is, indeed, nothing new. So why are you believing him this time?
There is a time for action, and this is it. We don't want Project 2025. If it sounds crazy when it is read and studied, then, perhaps.., just maybe.... it _is_ crazy. Just because the world is full of conspiracy theorists doesn't mean everything that sounds crazy is a conspiracy. It might mean there are some crazy people writing a plan. Or people who may or may not be crazy, but who are, nevertheless, writing a plan.
We need to inform ourselves. I'm grateful to Sharon that she has been trying.
I personally don’t see Trump allowing anyone telling him what he must do! He wants to be the initiator of all his ideas. I do believe a lot of this sounds like Qanon conspiracy, almost “Handmaid Tale’s” adjunct, and giving it legs is what they want people to do. I appreciate the info, but sometimes someone else’s context gives it too much life.
Why then do all his top advisers support it? And in fact, had a huge part in creating it? I think it’s worrying that he actually claimed he “hadn’t read it” but then turned around and said some of the ideas were fine… which one is it? Trump says one thing but his actions say another. You can read Trumps actual agenda online and it’s not that far off from Project 2025 as stated specifically on his website.
Do you really believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth? His entire statement was a contradiction. “I know nothing about it….but I don’t like it” Hmmm.
Hm, but the evidence shows this statement of his isn’t true. He has supported it and supports those who wrote and are hoping to implement it publicly. I feel as tho this is a ‘looks like a duck, quacks like a duck’ situation. Personally, for my kids who will likely pay the biggest long term price, it’s not worth trusting his words now, as he’s lied many times before. Principle of Party for me this year.
When the people who are the architects of Republican backed legislation tell you who and what they are, believe them. For decades they told everyone they were remaking the courts in an effort to overturn Roe and people gave every defense in the world from candidates don’t perfectly align with them to Roe is established precedent, now here we are. For decades they have told people that the way to dismantle public education is through the vouchers system and pulling funds out of the public school system, now here we are. When the Heritage Foundation tells you who and what they are, the response must be to believe them. I have yet to see a republican candidate denounce the Heritage Foundation instead they covet their endorsements and line up in droves to have themselves or staffers work for them or previously have worked there. So again, when they tell you who they are, please believe them.
After reading Sharon’s explanation of it I don’t know if people need to necessarily support it, to me it sounded like if they can implement Project 2025 because they have control of Congress and Executive they will
Respectfully, I don't believe a single thing that Trump says. He made over 30,000 false and misleading claims while president. He regularly makes statements that are untrue. Viewing P2025 as some conspiracy theory or fear mongering would be a mistake. Downplaying what could essentially destroy our democracy is a risk I'm not willing to take. BTW, parts of P2025 are already being enacted.
Yes he denied knowing it, then stated specific things he disagreed with from it. His current campaign press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, is starring in recruitment ads for P2025. Four prior Trump administration loyalist have joined the Heritage Foundation, and Trump enacted many HF suggestions during his prior term. It may not be realistic that he can implement parts of it, but IMO it's realistic and certainly not paranoid to be concerned that he'll try.
I think it’s also important to notice that the objectives of Project 2025 are already being implemented as state laws around the country. They are already putting their money behind school board candidates, crafting bills that they send to legislators around the country about Trans-girls in sports or bathroom bills. It is very much already happening at the state level in the red state where I live, so I don’t question *at all* their intention to turn this into federal law.
No candidate ADMITS to supporting P2025. But many aspects of the plan align with Trump's plans, i.e. abolishing the Dept of Ed and EPA, and cutting funding to NIH, and DHS. Not to mention the elements of Christian Nationalism that we already see in play in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Don't kid yourself...the are people in power who support P2025.
Have you read/watched all the Agenda47 segments on Trump’s campaign website? They are in strong alignment with many portions of Project 2025. I don’t think that is a coincidence.
I saw this… I agree with the “fear response”… no good decisions are made in response to fear… however, I also don’t fully trust Trump and what he says. Wish I could trust him or most anything that comes out of the mouth of a politician. I am applying the Reina Trust and Betrayl model here… and I am trying to rebuild trust with our government… so don’t take that comment in a dooms day view. Trust is transacted.
Unfortunately some of the things in Project 2025 are already coming to fruition because of Republican leaders. They're already attacking women's bodily autonomy, they've already thrown IVF & contraception into the mix and we all know abortion is part of that. They've already begun attacking the LGBTQIA+ community with over 100 anti-gay laws across the country, they're already attacking DEI, they've already begun attempts to force Christianity into public schools, they're working on trying to end no fault divorce, they're already pushing the "nuclear family" ideal as what's "right" and what will "save America". The list goes on and on, and now with the overturning of Chevron, it opens up a whole new level regarding the environment and regulations. Trump saying he "doesn't know anything" about Project 2025 is as believable as him saying "everybody wanted Roe overturned"🙄 He and his team are realizing the implications it could have and are trying to back peddle, just like he did with his position on abortion. If people haven't realized he is willing to change his position on something purely based on what will get him the most votes/what will get whoever is in front of him to like him, then you've been hiding under a rock. His position on immigration dramatically changed the moment he got in front of Silicon Valley execs yet he proposes a different idea when he's at his rallies...
Thankfully, no candidate supports Project 2025. Trump came out this week and said Project 2025 is "absolutely ridiculous". I think we need to stop giving so much weight and credit to it. I have yet to meet any conservative who supports it. I don't like the fear mongering over something so unrealistic, it shows paranoia akin to the far-right.
I took Trump’s denial as, “Oops, my bad! I better deny any knowledge of P2025 so I won’t lose voters.” Interesting that some of the creators of this worked in the Trump WH.
What a mess - two undesirable candidates and our country at a crossroads.
These are ALL the things that Trump wanted to do during his first term but did not have the game plan or the runway to accomplish. Now, he has a court on his side and a clear, step-by-step plan. He knows if he installs actual Civil Servants into cabinet positions like he did last time, they will stop him from his most terrible impulses. But if he installs loyalists no one will dare stop him. He has an outline for calling up the National Guard to squash protests, something that he asked about more than 3x during his first Presidency. Also, ask yourself, what did you think was not possible a few years ago that has come true? Some of the aspects of 2025 may be beyond the pale for some congressmen, so they will push back, but a lot of the talking points are plans that Trump Wants with a capital "W."
I agree with you Rachel but I also have had my mouth hit the floor when hearing what the Supreme Court has passed or undone more than once. I’m saddened at what is happening to us and it causes me concern.
When you say lose voters, you mean that he knows a majority of conservatives don't support it?
Yes.
Yes, I can see him seeing all the pushback on it and then distancing himself. So I agree. But that is what I'm saying, I don't see any candidate wanting anything to do with it. It's Qanon level thinking which I don't think will ever come to fruition.
I believe Trump said that he 1. didn't know anything about it AND 2. disagreed with some of it. Those can't both be true. I call BS on him.
Also let's say #1 is true...a little troubling that the guy who may be Prez again is so uniformed. I call major BS. I think he's catering to the centrist vote. He's already got the far right vote. Then if P2025 is a lucrative endeavor, he'll support it if he's elected.
Exactly! And I find it hard to believe that no conservatives are on board either with Project 2025. Literal majority of past staff that worked in the Trump administration have helped develop this doctrine. That’s not hyperbole or fear mongering. Trump is a known liar and will say anything to be elected again. So him saying I don’t know what it is - another lie.
Yes, Trump literally cannot speak without throwing in a lie or exaggeration. It's like his trademark at this point haha. But MY point is all this talk about Project 2025 is starting to sound like the paranoid far-right. Thats the whole premise about the far-right is they are terrified of things happening induced by that left that will literally probably never happen.
Sharon has said herself that the founders of P2025 have an excellent track record for getting their initiatives taken up by politicians. I do think some of the more dramatic of potential P2025 outcomes are becoming conspiratorial, but you can’t deny that accomplishment of even the minor projects would have rather disturbing consequences. It is completely fair to raise the alarm bell on this.
It may _sound_ like the paranoid far right, but all we need to do is read it. Like Sharon did. Like many people have who are trying to tell us what it says. There could literally be a talking point from every day until the election from that document. And probably beyond that date, but we only have until that date.
It _is_ crazy overall. That doesn't mean we are paranoid nor conspiracy theorists if we are concerned. We have evidence right in front of us.
Saying that Trump "says" that he doesn't know about it and that we are conspiracy thinkers is a gaslighting statement actually. It's certainly not what I personally want to see happening in the country.
As far as whether to believe Trump when he says he doesn't know anything about it, I say again, read it. His name is in it repeatedly. Like in the hundreds of times.
Trump denies _whatever_ is politically expedient for him to deny. It is not only him lying, it is him trying to deceive us and make us relax and sit back so he can get what he wants, which is power. That is, indeed, nothing new. So why are you believing him this time?
There is a time for action, and this is it. We don't want Project 2025. If it sounds crazy when it is read and studied, then, perhaps.., just maybe.... it _is_ crazy. Just because the world is full of conspiracy theorists doesn't mean everything that sounds crazy is a conspiracy. It might mean there are some crazy people writing a plan. Or people who may or may not be crazy, but who are, nevertheless, writing a plan.
We need to inform ourselves. I'm grateful to Sharon that she has been trying.
I personally don’t see Trump allowing anyone telling him what he must do! He wants to be the initiator of all his ideas. I do believe a lot of this sounds like Qanon conspiracy, almost “Handmaid Tale’s” adjunct, and giving it legs is what they want people to do. I appreciate the info, but sometimes someone else’s context gives it too much life.
You are right. Why would any candidate align themselves with it? 🇺🇸
Why then do all his top advisers support it? And in fact, had a huge part in creating it? I think it’s worrying that he actually claimed he “hadn’t read it” but then turned around and said some of the ideas were fine… which one is it? Trump says one thing but his actions say another. You can read Trumps actual agenda online and it’s not that far off from Project 2025 as stated specifically on his website.
Do you really believe ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth? His entire statement was a contradiction. “I know nothing about it….but I don’t like it” Hmmm.
Hm, but the evidence shows this statement of his isn’t true. He has supported it and supports those who wrote and are hoping to implement it publicly. I feel as tho this is a ‘looks like a duck, quacks like a duck’ situation. Personally, for my kids who will likely pay the biggest long term price, it’s not worth trusting his words now, as he’s lied many times before. Principle of Party for me this year.
When the people who are the architects of Republican backed legislation tell you who and what they are, believe them. For decades they told everyone they were remaking the courts in an effort to overturn Roe and people gave every defense in the world from candidates don’t perfectly align with them to Roe is established precedent, now here we are. For decades they have told people that the way to dismantle public education is through the vouchers system and pulling funds out of the public school system, now here we are. When the Heritage Foundation tells you who and what they are, the response must be to believe them. I have yet to see a republican candidate denounce the Heritage Foundation instead they covet their endorsements and line up in droves to have themselves or staffers work for them or previously have worked there. So again, when they tell you who they are, please believe them.
You are 100000% correct on all points!
THIS!
After reading Sharon’s explanation of it I don’t know if people need to necessarily support it, to me it sounded like if they can implement Project 2025 because they have control of Congress and Executive they will
Respectfully, I don't believe a single thing that Trump says. He made over 30,000 false and misleading claims while president. He regularly makes statements that are untrue. Viewing P2025 as some conspiracy theory or fear mongering would be a mistake. Downplaying what could essentially destroy our democracy is a risk I'm not willing to take. BTW, parts of P2025 are already being enacted.
Remember Trump lied every 90 seconds in the debate…He has lied again. He IS aligned with P2025, he knows all about it. He is a liar
Trump's denial is just one more lie. Several of his top aides are leaders in the Project 2025 movement. A vote for Trump is a vote for Project 2025.
Yes he denied knowing it, then stated specific things he disagreed with from it. His current campaign press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, is starring in recruitment ads for P2025. Four prior Trump administration loyalist have joined the Heritage Foundation, and Trump enacted many HF suggestions during his prior term. It may not be realistic that he can implement parts of it, but IMO it's realistic and certainly not paranoid to be concerned that he'll try.
I think it’s also important to notice that the objectives of Project 2025 are already being implemented as state laws around the country. They are already putting their money behind school board candidates, crafting bills that they send to legislators around the country about Trans-girls in sports or bathroom bills. It is very much already happening at the state level in the red state where I live, so I don’t question *at all* their intention to turn this into federal law.
No candidate ADMITS to supporting P2025. But many aspects of the plan align with Trump's plans, i.e. abolishing the Dept of Ed and EPA, and cutting funding to NIH, and DHS. Not to mention the elements of Christian Nationalism that we already see in play in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Don't kid yourself...the are people in power who support P2025.
Have you read/watched all the Agenda47 segments on Trump’s campaign website? They are in strong alignment with many portions of Project 2025. I don’t think that is a coincidence.
I saw this… I agree with the “fear response”… no good decisions are made in response to fear… however, I also don’t fully trust Trump and what he says. Wish I could trust him or most anything that comes out of the mouth of a politician. I am applying the Reina Trust and Betrayl model here… and I am trying to rebuild trust with our government… so don’t take that comment in a dooms day view. Trust is transacted.
Unfortunately some of the things in Project 2025 are already coming to fruition because of Republican leaders. They're already attacking women's bodily autonomy, they've already thrown IVF & contraception into the mix and we all know abortion is part of that. They've already begun attacking the LGBTQIA+ community with over 100 anti-gay laws across the country, they're already attacking DEI, they've already begun attempts to force Christianity into public schools, they're working on trying to end no fault divorce, they're already pushing the "nuclear family" ideal as what's "right" and what will "save America". The list goes on and on, and now with the overturning of Chevron, it opens up a whole new level regarding the environment and regulations. Trump saying he "doesn't know anything" about Project 2025 is as believable as him saying "everybody wanted Roe overturned"🙄 He and his team are realizing the implications it could have and are trying to back peddle, just like he did with his position on abortion. If people haven't realized he is willing to change his position on something purely based on what will get him the most votes/what will get whoever is in front of him to like him, then you've been hiding under a rock. His position on immigration dramatically changed the moment he got in front of Silicon Valley execs yet he proposes a different idea when he's at his rallies...
They're lying.