I think there’s a reason he would go to colleges and debate students vs. someone his own age that had any kind of education. The students are the ones that have likely not had enough world experience or critical thinking development to be able to truly go toe to toe with him. I’ve seen some of the clips of him “debating” students, and they’re not all in good faith. If he really wanted a fair debate, he should have gone to colleges and debated instructors, but I think he knew he would get destroyed and humiliated if he chose someone his own size to go up against.
Until Sandy Hook and Uvalde kids get a national holiday, absolutely ZERO adult should get one. We barely pause when dozens of 5 year olds are gunned down in their classroom, so there should be absolutely no attention paid to any adult as long as we adults are failing the kids so badly.
Yes! A school shooting remembrance day would be beneficial. It could coincide with fund raising and a full day of Congress working to make a plan to end this epidemic.
Charlie Kirk was the lead Youth Recruiter for a political movement called MAGA. Why would we have a national holiday for someone that supported fascism? He shouldn’t have been assassinated but he also shouldn’t be sanctified. And all of those Dems who voted yes? They are as wrong with America as MAGA. We have the wrong people in the wrong jobs and with disinformation everywhere it’s only going to get worse before in NEVER gets better.
Does CK deserve a holiday, no! He was a talking head podcaster who chose an audience easily persuadable to join his personal mission with rhetoric that drew the young in. He was dynamic and in your face often interrupting to get his point across with someone across from him at the mic, often yelling to "make his point," not debate. The entirety of the event is unacceptable but he was a talking head extremist and did nothing on the daily other than line his coffers spewing questionable rhetoric pandering to the inexperience easily persuaded young. So no, his questionable hate speech under the guise of Holy, with an occasional "Jesus and bible verse tossed in" absolutely does not warrant a holiday - coins - bobble heads, or anything of the like.
Can you share which views of his you classify as extremist and hate speech? From what I saw, his views are conservative but I didn’t find him as an extremist nor deliver hate speech. Definitely speech that could be offensive to some. I recognize that I haven’t watched all of his debates and could have missed it.
I’m going to take a guess, although I’d love the hear Chrissy’s response! When she says “questionable hate speech”, I think she’s saying that his words were somewhere in between offensive and hate speech. A quick google search (take that for what it’s worth) says hate speech is defined as “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds”. Based on that definition, I would say Kirk’s words about Michelle Obama, Jasmine Crockett and other Black women lacking brain power, could be possibly be considered hate speech. Kirk made many statements that toed this line, in my opinion. Sharon did a post with a few of them just after his tragic murder.
My first impression of him was an insta post he made that said all LGBTQ flags should be burned. I think I just assumed that was a form of hate speech, it's definitely extremist but would you classify that as leaning more towards just offensive?
Thanks for sharing, Rhea. I am not able to find his quote on that, but I could see that is offensive. I also believe it aligns with how (some) Christianity views LGBTQ. I don’t agree with that view, for what it’s worth.
This is just another distraction and a way to keep each ‘side’ agitated and annoyed. Perhaps it is time to stop creating holidays period and instead, I don’t know, maybe pass legislation that will actually benefit the American people.
As the mother of a trans woman in a conservative state, the move to commemorate him was another terrifying heartbreak. Kirk’s (tragic) death was also weaponized against trans people. He made the world less safe for so many with his use of free speech. My daughter was set to come home to visit the weekend after his death and was terrified to do so. Thank you for calling this out so clearly.
“Too many non-working holidays in America. It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don’t want it either! Soon we’ll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year. It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
Knowing the Dems voted largely in favor of this makes me even less likely to vote in upcoming elections. What a spineless party they are, always powerless to respond and seemingly incapable of putting a plan in action. Meanwhile the past 9 months have been full steam ahead for the other party in bulldozing the system. 🤷🏻♀️
Kryslyn, there is definitely a lack of work going into making change. And even a lack of strong rhetoric and gestures. That’s why I tell every one of them: Match My Energy!!!!
No. I haven’t even read the article yet, but no. We can all abhor gun violence and reject what happened to Kirk as terrible and unacceptable in America, without turning the man into some kind of saint. He doesn’t need to be a martyr for us to agree that what happened to him was wrong. In fact, I would say we would be a better America if we didn’t need a victim to be pure and innocent to earn our outrage at the violence.
I read the article and my initial view still stands. I agree with others that it just seems like a way to force congresspeople to vote and the Democrats get a lose lose situation out of it. (Vote for it and you’re supporting his vile views, vote against it and you don’t support “healthy debate” and attempts to “unify” the country. Either way some part of your constituency is unhappy.)
What is happening is the GOP has simply weaponized Charlie Kirk. That seems appropriate as Charlie Kirk was a weapon of hate and suppression. I've discussed Kirk with two different campus Republicans. The first, still a student and quoted in news articles across the country, couldn’t defend his statements and, instead, used the standard weapon of defense…attacking and criticizing me. The other, now an adult of 30, used to be part of Better Angels and is horrified by what Kirk was doing and the reaction of the party. It’s a scary and sad time when our supposed leaders are endorsing hate and division. Perhaps Project 2025 actually included Mein Kampf as a reference.
Maybe it’s just my own opinion but I would say his “professor watchlist” is a perfect example of suppression. Doxing professors leading to people having to leave their jobs and getting death threats? All because he didn’t like what they were saying.
I would suggest using google. Just make sure you don’t just read snippets. Read his quotes in context. He comes across as rational until you really look at what he is saying. Scary and he preyed on college youth who typically aren’t prepared to push back with a depth of understanding.
What you have to do is realize his intent. He somewhat cleverly disguises his intent within blather that is innocuous. His wording about the LGBTQ community is nasty stuff. His wording about the role of women in society is backwards at best. He created a hit list of college professors. Like Trump he played on people’s emotions to create discord .
I can see how you would interpret him that way but I still do not see how he was delivering hate speech and/or white supremacy. I have yet to find any evidence of that, even despite asking for it. All I have received are snippets. That doesn’t tell me anything.
There is a lot. For example when talking about black leaders and affirmative action he stated, "“you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken seriously” without affirmative action. “You had to steal a white person’s slot.” He alluded that those in the LGBTQ community should be stoned by invoking Old Testament scripture. He said the Civil Rights act was a mistake. Called MLK a bad person. Created a hit list of college professors he disagreed with and encouraged people to go after them.
Here is a link to the entire conversation. I don’t think it’s hate speech but inappropriate comments. He was making these comments in response to 10/6 tragedy.
The fact that we are even having this discussion is baffling to me. Charlie Kirk was at best a white nationalist, at worst, a full on white supremacist in khakis. I would encourage everyone reading this to go read “The Hate Next Door” by Matt Browning. Sharon interviewed him for her podcast earlier this year and his book was fascinating. An undercover fbi agent out of Mesa, Arizona who infiltrates white supremacist groups. He talks much about the two areas of the modern white supremacy movement. The low level gangs, like the aryan brotherhood but also the high level politicians, and political arena people who are not part of any formal groups, other than perhaps conservative think tanks, but whose aims are indeed white supremacist. I refuse to buy into the narrative that people like Charlie Kirk don’t know that that is exactly what they’re doing. But we, the American people have given such UNBELIEVABLE amounts of leash and space in the public square to spew their hate and violent rhetoric. And not only have we failed to shun this ideology, many have embraced it because it comes wrapped with Jesus language and a cross slapped on it. If Stephen Millers diatribe at CKs funeral wasn’t blatant evidence enough of the fact that these folks are white supremacists, I don’t know how to help convince you further. Because if you’re waiting for a white supremacist to come out and introduce themselves as such, baby you’ll be waiting on that forever. We HAVE to be smarter than this y’all.
Interesting perspective. What did Kirk share that has you categorize him as white nationalist or supremacist? I am also curious what he said that is considered hate speech? I’m not referring to S. Miller- whose speech was awful at the service. I am genuinely curious what Kirk said to have you believe he was those things?
I also question if Kirk was a white nationalist or white supremacist, why did he have many supporters who aren’t white and in some cases, not even Christian? Those are the things that give me pause. And I haven’t found anything where Charlie Kirk had hate speech.
Amy, and I mean this with all the respect: go watch more of his videos yourself. I see you’ve made the same request of multiple people in this comment section. It’s not our job to bring ad nauseum evidence when you have the entirety of Al Gores internet to go seek it out yourself. Be your own devils advocate to the question you pose.
The thing is, most people on the right have been watching Charlie Kirk directly or indirectly for years. We don't need to scramble to find out what "horrible things" he may have said in an effort to justify his murder. We already know Charlie Kirk and his character. I'm honestly so sick of people who have probably never spent any real time watching or listening to any of his podcasts, debates, or speeches now telling the rest of us that he is a racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc.
This is not a criticism of Kahlil Greene, but this substack has become little more than a left-wing rag. I've never seen conservative guest writers here. To my recollection, I've seen only one perspective article that could align with conservative views. The comments here and on Sharon's Instagram are an echo chamber for mostly liberal, middle-aged, white women. It's so disappointing. There is plenty to criticize this administration over, but the constant stream of platitudes she posts are laughable as if we are all living in a perpetual state of fear and anxiety just counting the days until Trump is out of office. Unfortunately, Sharon knows where her bread is buttered and must, as influencers often do, cater to her liberal base. Without them, she'd have no audience.
Turning Point raised a lot of red flags for me a while back so I’ve spent a lot of time studying Kirk as well as the other personalities TPUSA employs. I’ve watched a ton of Charlie’s speeches, “debates” and podcasts as well as read a book about him. I walk away from those things more concerned than ever about the future of our country, especially as a woman. It’s really hard for me to understand what people who think he’s so spiritual and great saw him doing that is so good for the country. I would agree with most of the other posts on here that I think he speaks in racist, misogynist and anti LGBT talking points so I just wonder, what are the people that like him see that we don’t?
Hi. I am asking the same- at least why people see him as a racist and white supremacist. But good for you for actually digging into more than 30 second clips.
I think this podcast helped me understand the impact he had (Jenna is non partisan btw)
Posted on his instagram “The ‘Great Replacement’ is not a theory, it’s a reality” in February 2024.
Said on his show “The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border … to replace white rural America with something different” in March 2024.
On his show in June 2025, he used a chart from the white supremacist group American Renaissance to back up the claims he was again making about the Great Replacement.
All of those are white supremacist talking points. I mean, he even used graphics from a known white supremacist group to back his claims up! If you can look at that, not to mention all of the other derogatory comments about minorities he throws around, and not think the guy might be a little bit of a white supremacist, I’m not really sure what to tell you. My only thought is that since he tends to sprinkle some religion in, people think he’s a great guy and are willing to give him a pass? (Not saying you specifically, but his supporters in general).
Hi Homer! Glad to see you here. I have rejoined as a subscriber for a short bit to help me step out of my bubble and echo chamber. I love that Sharon has guest posts and holding out hope for a conservative voice. :)
I am challenging you to share why you hold that perspective. I have not found anything to show that Kirk spread hate speech or was a white supremacist. What was it or where did he share something that led you to these beliefs? That is what I am curious about.
Again, I’m not going to give you an education on what white supremacy looks like, here in this comment section. I offered the suggestion of reading “The Hate Next Door”. And as I said, if you’re looking for me to give you some clip where CK says he’s a white supremacist, that doesn’t exist. And would never have anyways. CK regularly spread the idea of the great replacement theory as being valid and legitimate - this is based in antisemitism but is also targeted at any non-white people. That’s only one example of probably hundreds of examples out there. Sharon herself made an excellent post with his own quotes addressing this topic. Maybe you can go find it on instagram or Facebook.
I think when we make statements as strong as you shared, we should be able to back them up. I have done my searches, I saw Sharon’s post and can completely see why people didn’t like many things he had to say. I understand why people don’t want to mourn him or for him to be a martyr. But I have yet to find anything that he shared to show hate speech or white supremacist. Which is why I asked you- since you made such claims.
Let me ask you this then: if he isn’t a white supremacist or a white nationalist, then why were his frequent talking points mirrored to those of white nationalists/supremacists?
I would add - calling for a ban on gender affirming care is at its core hate speech. It is limiting access to life saving health care to an entire group of people (life saving as backed by EVERY major medical organization and an independent study commissioned by Utahs legislators this year in an attempt to justify the ban on gender affirming care) My child was suicidal until she was able to access the care she needed. That call was in addition to saying that “men should take care of trans people like they did in the 50s” - hint that was violently. And characterizing trans people as violent - when the vast majority of violence is against trans people and perpetuated by white men. For more info on gender affirming care, this breaks it down well. https://www.instagram.com/curious._.hearts/p/DGj5Lf3s_7w/?hl=en
Do you know where this was and the link to the entire interview? I like to save my opinion after reviewing the actual source, not a clip. Literally can’t find it anywhere. Have spent 15 mins searching, but nothing. Will continue my search but assume you have more than this clip to share?
Amy, please just admit to yourself that you are ok with what CK is saying here. You have posted your love for his wife on your feed. You are not looking for information. I am not going to do any more labor for you. There are hours of video of CK spewing hate. You can find it, just like I found this one, but you don’t want to.
I have no problem claiming that I am a fan of Charlie Kirk. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I think what he did was one of a kind. I am genuinely having trouble understanding why people think he is a racist and white supremacist. And while these very few things people have shared definitely support why they don’t like him, I still haven’t found anything that shows he was those things.
Thank you for admitting you are a fan. Every human being has multiple sides. The fact that you can find something you agree with and even admire about CK is not surprising. He was a multifaceted human being. But, he was unapologetically racist, antisemitic, and a misogynistic. I believe EK would even tell you he was racist and antisemitic. He prayed on vulnerable college students to gain fame, power, and money. He was charismatic, as many successful manipulators are, but I do not think he did anything in good faith. It was a grift. We can see EK glowing in her new role continuing the grift. If my husband had just been assassinated I would not be able to leave the house, much less smile for the cameras and laugh for a podcast.
What happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10th was a horrific tragedy. That said, I do not think we should have a federal holiday in his honor. A lot of my friends and family who keep up with the news had no idea who he was. I think that is a testament to how chronically online so many of us are (guilty!). I think a better way to honor Kirk and anyone who has been killed in an act of political violence is for Congress to agree to turn down the hateful, divisive rhetoric. Maybe they could host meetings with their constituents where they can talk about the values we all share.
The democrats needed to put forth a gun bill named after Charlie Kirk. Again they missed the boat.
💯 I’ve been calling my reps everyday making this exact suggestion. It’s not too late.
Jenny, and Suzanne, brilliant!
That is brilliant, and leave it to the democratic party to miss the boat 🙄
Whoa. Brilliant
I think there’s a reason he would go to colleges and debate students vs. someone his own age that had any kind of education. The students are the ones that have likely not had enough world experience or critical thinking development to be able to truly go toe to toe with him. I’ve seen some of the clips of him “debating” students, and they’re not all in good faith. If he really wanted a fair debate, he should have gone to colleges and debated instructors, but I think he knew he would get destroyed and humiliated if he chose someone his own size to go up against.
He did go to Cambridge and debate graduate students and one professor. The general consensus is that he did poorly there.
He actually has debated with professors and from what I saw in these examples- very impressive!
Want to note that while I am a fan of Charlie Kirk’s work, I probably only agree with 30% of his views.
Oxford and University of Florida - https://youtu.be/5NSdCvbhDnM?si=NOUlOKIr01HuhqCt
Not at a university but Professor Ben Burgos - https://youtu.be/SQMikHPPV1s?si=PezoxZtpREt4NMxk
Cambridge - https://youtu.be/IP5LDxhBod0?si=sIYfNCFtX8HA7lqy
Great questions from students - in Michigan-https://youtu.be/C4LLJ0TRmDg?si=LXCmT3EAmHWtbhJn
Until Sandy Hook and Uvalde kids get a national holiday, absolutely ZERO adult should get one. We barely pause when dozens of 5 year olds are gunned down in their classroom, so there should be absolutely no attention paid to any adult as long as we adults are failing the kids so badly.
Yes! A school shooting remembrance day would be beneficial. It could coincide with fund raising and a full day of Congress working to make a plan to end this epidemic.
100% agree. The Hoffman’s murder also…completely ignored by the administration.
Charlie Kirk was the lead Youth Recruiter for a political movement called MAGA. Why would we have a national holiday for someone that supported fascism? He shouldn’t have been assassinated but he also shouldn’t be sanctified. And all of those Dems who voted yes? They are as wrong with America as MAGA. We have the wrong people in the wrong jobs and with disinformation everywhere it’s only going to get worse before in NEVER gets better.
Does CK deserve a holiday, no! He was a talking head podcaster who chose an audience easily persuadable to join his personal mission with rhetoric that drew the young in. He was dynamic and in your face often interrupting to get his point across with someone across from him at the mic, often yelling to "make his point," not debate. The entirety of the event is unacceptable but he was a talking head extremist and did nothing on the daily other than line his coffers spewing questionable rhetoric pandering to the inexperience easily persuaded young. So no, his questionable hate speech under the guise of Holy, with an occasional "Jesus and bible verse tossed in" absolutely does not warrant a holiday - coins - bobble heads, or anything of the like.
Can you share which views of his you classify as extremist and hate speech? From what I saw, his views are conservative but I didn’t find him as an extremist nor deliver hate speech. Definitely speech that could be offensive to some. I recognize that I haven’t watched all of his debates and could have missed it.
I’m going to take a guess, although I’d love the hear Chrissy’s response! When she says “questionable hate speech”, I think she’s saying that his words were somewhere in between offensive and hate speech. A quick google search (take that for what it’s worth) says hate speech is defined as “abusive or threatening speech or writing that expresses prejudice on the basis of ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or similar grounds”. Based on that definition, I would say Kirk’s words about Michelle Obama, Jasmine Crockett and other Black women lacking brain power, could be possibly be considered hate speech. Kirk made many statements that toed this line, in my opinion. Sharon did a post with a few of them just after his tragic murder.
Thanks Darcy.
My first impression of him was an insta post he made that said all LGBTQ flags should be burned. I think I just assumed that was a form of hate speech, it's definitely extremist but would you classify that as leaning more towards just offensive?
Thanks for sharing, Rhea. I am not able to find his quote on that, but I could see that is offensive. I also believe it aligns with how (some) Christianity views LGBTQ. I don’t agree with that view, for what it’s worth.
This may not be what you were referring to but I found this tweet. I don’t consider this hate speech personally.
https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1960058372759159005?s=46
Yes, that's it. I saw his Instagram post of this tweet.
https://www.instagram.com/share/BAWsexkL6R
Here is a link to the entire conversation. https://youtu.be/mf-wTc8quKA?si=U4NrinkLpqpaaE3l
This is just another distraction and a way to keep each ‘side’ agitated and annoyed. Perhaps it is time to stop creating holidays period and instead, I don’t know, maybe pass legislation that will actually benefit the American people.
As the mother of a trans woman in a conservative state, the move to commemorate him was another terrifying heartbreak. Kirk’s (tragic) death was also weaponized against trans people. He made the world less safe for so many with his use of free speech. My daughter was set to come home to visit the weekend after his death and was terrified to do so. Thank you for calling this out so clearly.
I have a real problem that so many children and others who have been killed don't get a "holiday" for anything. So my answer is NO!
On Juneteenth, The pres said:
“Too many non-working holidays in America. It is costing our Country $BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to keep all of these businesses closed. The workers don’t want it either! Soon we’ll end up having a holiday for every once working day of the year. It must change if we are going to, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!”
What happened to that?
Knowing the Dems voted largely in favor of this makes me even less likely to vote in upcoming elections. What a spineless party they are, always powerless to respond and seemingly incapable of putting a plan in action. Meanwhile the past 9 months have been full steam ahead for the other party in bulldozing the system. 🤷🏻♀️
Wastsonette, that’s why I’m non-partisan.
Although, I am very much impressed by Jefferries’ response to Vought!
My concern there, though, is that it feels like he and Booker are just relying on rhetoric and grand gestures vs actually making/working toward change
Kryslyn, there is definitely a lack of work going into making change. And even a lack of strong rhetoric and gestures. That’s why I tell every one of them: Match My Energy!!!!
No. I haven’t even read the article yet, but no. We can all abhor gun violence and reject what happened to Kirk as terrible and unacceptable in America, without turning the man into some kind of saint. He doesn’t need to be a martyr for us to agree that what happened to him was wrong. In fact, I would say we would be a better America if we didn’t need a victim to be pure and innocent to earn our outrage at the violence.
I read the article and my initial view still stands. I agree with others that it just seems like a way to force congresspeople to vote and the Democrats get a lose lose situation out of it. (Vote for it and you’re supporting his vile views, vote against it and you don’t support “healthy debate” and attempts to “unify” the country. Either way some part of your constituency is unhappy.)
What is happening is the GOP has simply weaponized Charlie Kirk. That seems appropriate as Charlie Kirk was a weapon of hate and suppression. I've discussed Kirk with two different campus Republicans. The first, still a student and quoted in news articles across the country, couldn’t defend his statements and, instead, used the standard weapon of defense…attacking and criticizing me. The other, now an adult of 30, used to be part of Better Angels and is horrified by what Kirk was doing and the reaction of the party. It’s a scary and sad time when our supposed leaders are endorsing hate and division. Perhaps Project 2025 actually included Mein Kampf as a reference.
Asking in good faith… Could you provide examples of how Kirk was a weapon of hate and suppression?
Maybe it’s just my own opinion but I would say his “professor watchlist” is a perfect example of suppression. Doxing professors leading to people having to leave their jobs and getting death threats? All because he didn’t like what they were saying.
That is a valid point. I wasn’t aware that was happening.
I would suggest using google. Just make sure you don’t just read snippets. Read his quotes in context. He comes across as rational until you really look at what he is saying. Scary and he preyed on college youth who typically aren’t prepared to push back with a depth of understanding.
I completely agree. And I would have an entire different view of Kirk if I only listened to snippets. Case in point, the example Allison shared above.
What you have to do is realize his intent. He somewhat cleverly disguises his intent within blather that is innocuous. His wording about the LGBTQ community is nasty stuff. His wording about the role of women in society is backwards at best. He created a hit list of college professors. Like Trump he played on people’s emotions to create discord .
I can see how you would interpret him that way but I still do not see how he was delivering hate speech and/or white supremacy. I have yet to find any evidence of that, even despite asking for it. All I have received are snippets. That doesn’t tell me anything.
There is a lot. For example when talking about black leaders and affirmative action he stated, "“you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken seriously” without affirmative action. “You had to steal a white person’s slot.” He alluded that those in the LGBTQ community should be stoned by invoking Old Testament scripture. He said the Civil Rights act was a mistake. Called MLK a bad person. Created a hit list of college professors he disagreed with and encouraged people to go after them.
https://www.instagram.com/share/BAWsexkL6R
Here is a link to the entire conversation. I don’t think it’s hate speech but inappropriate comments. He was making these comments in response to 10/6 tragedy.
https://youtu.be/mf-wTc8quKA?si=U4NrinkLpqpaaE3l
We are using the term “debate” pretty loosely when speaking about what Kirk was up to on college campuses.
Agree. He was a bully
The fact that we are even having this discussion is baffling to me. Charlie Kirk was at best a white nationalist, at worst, a full on white supremacist in khakis. I would encourage everyone reading this to go read “The Hate Next Door” by Matt Browning. Sharon interviewed him for her podcast earlier this year and his book was fascinating. An undercover fbi agent out of Mesa, Arizona who infiltrates white supremacist groups. He talks much about the two areas of the modern white supremacy movement. The low level gangs, like the aryan brotherhood but also the high level politicians, and political arena people who are not part of any formal groups, other than perhaps conservative think tanks, but whose aims are indeed white supremacist. I refuse to buy into the narrative that people like Charlie Kirk don’t know that that is exactly what they’re doing. But we, the American people have given such UNBELIEVABLE amounts of leash and space in the public square to spew their hate and violent rhetoric. And not only have we failed to shun this ideology, many have embraced it because it comes wrapped with Jesus language and a cross slapped on it. If Stephen Millers diatribe at CKs funeral wasn’t blatant evidence enough of the fact that these folks are white supremacists, I don’t know how to help convince you further. Because if you’re waiting for a white supremacist to come out and introduce themselves as such, baby you’ll be waiting on that forever. We HAVE to be smarter than this y’all.
Interesting perspective. What did Kirk share that has you categorize him as white nationalist or supremacist? I am also curious what he said that is considered hate speech? I’m not referring to S. Miller- whose speech was awful at the service. I am genuinely curious what Kirk said to have you believe he was those things?
I also question if Kirk was a white nationalist or white supremacist, why did he have many supporters who aren’t white and in some cases, not even Christian? Those are the things that give me pause. And I haven’t found anything where Charlie Kirk had hate speech.
Amy, and I mean this with all the respect: go watch more of his videos yourself. I see you’ve made the same request of multiple people in this comment section. It’s not our job to bring ad nauseum evidence when you have the entirety of Al Gores internet to go seek it out yourself. Be your own devils advocate to the question you pose.
The thing is, most people on the right have been watching Charlie Kirk directly or indirectly for years. We don't need to scramble to find out what "horrible things" he may have said in an effort to justify his murder. We already know Charlie Kirk and his character. I'm honestly so sick of people who have probably never spent any real time watching or listening to any of his podcasts, debates, or speeches now telling the rest of us that he is a racist, misogynist, homophobe, etc.
This is not a criticism of Kahlil Greene, but this substack has become little more than a left-wing rag. I've never seen conservative guest writers here. To my recollection, I've seen only one perspective article that could align with conservative views. The comments here and on Sharon's Instagram are an echo chamber for mostly liberal, middle-aged, white women. It's so disappointing. There is plenty to criticize this administration over, but the constant stream of platitudes she posts are laughable as if we are all living in a perpetual state of fear and anxiety just counting the days until Trump is out of office. Unfortunately, Sharon knows where her bread is buttered and must, as influencers often do, cater to her liberal base. Without them, she'd have no audience.
Turning Point raised a lot of red flags for me a while back so I’ve spent a lot of time studying Kirk as well as the other personalities TPUSA employs. I’ve watched a ton of Charlie’s speeches, “debates” and podcasts as well as read a book about him. I walk away from those things more concerned than ever about the future of our country, especially as a woman. It’s really hard for me to understand what people who think he’s so spiritual and great saw him doing that is so good for the country. I would agree with most of the other posts on here that I think he speaks in racist, misogynist and anti LGBT talking points so I just wonder, what are the people that like him see that we don’t?
Hi. I am asking the same- at least why people see him as a racist and white supremacist. But good for you for actually digging into more than 30 second clips.
I think this podcast helped me understand the impact he had (Jenna is non partisan btw)
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/smarthernews/id1395519638?i=1000726956404
This is a conservative, Black, gay man who was friends with Kirk. He isn’t a Christian and is a lot of common sense.
https://youtu.be/N14ywRyTWVI?si=4GVKAmTBgSyy6JuB
Posted on his instagram “The ‘Great Replacement’ is not a theory, it’s a reality” in February 2024.
Said on his show “The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border … to replace white rural America with something different” in March 2024.
On his show in June 2025, he used a chart from the white supremacist group American Renaissance to back up the claims he was again making about the Great Replacement.
All of those are white supremacist talking points. I mean, he even used graphics from a known white supremacist group to back his claims up! If you can look at that, not to mention all of the other derogatory comments about minorities he throws around, and not think the guy might be a little bit of a white supremacist, I’m not really sure what to tell you. My only thought is that since he tends to sprinkle some religion in, people think he’s a great guy and are willing to give him a pass? (Not saying you specifically, but his supporters in general).
Hi Homer! Glad to see you here. I have rejoined as a subscriber for a short bit to help me step out of my bubble and echo chamber. I love that Sharon has guest posts and holding out hope for a conservative voice. :)
I am challenging you to share why you hold that perspective. I have not found anything to show that Kirk spread hate speech or was a white supremacist. What was it or where did he share something that led you to these beliefs? That is what I am curious about.
Again, I’m not going to give you an education on what white supremacy looks like, here in this comment section. I offered the suggestion of reading “The Hate Next Door”. And as I said, if you’re looking for me to give you some clip where CK says he’s a white supremacist, that doesn’t exist. And would never have anyways. CK regularly spread the idea of the great replacement theory as being valid and legitimate - this is based in antisemitism but is also targeted at any non-white people. That’s only one example of probably hundreds of examples out there. Sharon herself made an excellent post with his own quotes addressing this topic. Maybe you can go find it on instagram or Facebook.
I think when we make statements as strong as you shared, we should be able to back them up. I have done my searches, I saw Sharon’s post and can completely see why people didn’t like many things he had to say. I understand why people don’t want to mourn him or for him to be a martyr. But I have yet to find anything that he shared to show hate speech or white supremacist. Which is why I asked you- since you made such claims.
Let me ask you this then: if he isn’t a white supremacist or a white nationalist, then why were his frequent talking points mirrored to those of white nationalists/supremacists?
I would add - calling for a ban on gender affirming care is at its core hate speech. It is limiting access to life saving health care to an entire group of people (life saving as backed by EVERY major medical organization and an independent study commissioned by Utahs legislators this year in an attempt to justify the ban on gender affirming care) My child was suicidal until she was able to access the care she needed. That call was in addition to saying that “men should take care of trans people like they did in the 50s” - hint that was violently. And characterizing trans people as violent - when the vast majority of violence is against trans people and perpetuated by white men. For more info on gender affirming care, this breaks it down well. https://www.instagram.com/curious._.hearts/p/DGj5Lf3s_7w/?hl=en
Thanks for sharing and I am glad your child got the care she received. Also- yes, this is awful.
https://www.instagram.com/share/BAWsexkL6R
Do you know where this was and the link to the entire interview? I like to save my opinion after reviewing the actual source, not a clip. Literally can’t find it anywhere. Have spent 15 mins searching, but nothing. Will continue my search but assume you have more than this clip to share?
Amy, please just admit to yourself that you are ok with what CK is saying here. You have posted your love for his wife on your feed. You are not looking for information. I am not going to do any more labor for you. There are hours of video of CK spewing hate. You can find it, just like I found this one, but you don’t want to.
If you have other videos of Kirk spewing hate, please share. I am sure that your opinion is based on more than one clip.
I have no problem claiming that I am a fan of Charlie Kirk. I don’t agree with everything he says, but I think what he did was one of a kind. I am genuinely having trouble understanding why people think he is a racist and white supremacist. And while these very few things people have shared definitely support why they don’t like him, I still haven’t found anything that shows he was those things.
Thank you for admitting you are a fan. Every human being has multiple sides. The fact that you can find something you agree with and even admire about CK is not surprising. He was a multifaceted human being. But, he was unapologetically racist, antisemitic, and a misogynistic. I believe EK would even tell you he was racist and antisemitic. He prayed on vulnerable college students to gain fame, power, and money. He was charismatic, as many successful manipulators are, but I do not think he did anything in good faith. It was a grift. We can see EK glowing in her new role continuing the grift. If my husband had just been assassinated I would not be able to leave the house, much less smile for the cameras and laugh for a podcast.
What happened to Charlie Kirk on September 10th was a horrific tragedy. That said, I do not think we should have a federal holiday in his honor. A lot of my friends and family who keep up with the news had no idea who he was. I think that is a testament to how chronically online so many of us are (guilty!). I think a better way to honor Kirk and anyone who has been killed in an act of political violence is for Congress to agree to turn down the hateful, divisive rhetoric. Maybe they could host meetings with their constituents where they can talk about the values we all share.
Why can’t the D’s see it for what it is?
Did they need Admiral Ackbar warning, “It’s a Trap!”?
It reminds me of people that look at CK’s quotes and claim they don’t see racism. It’s because they’re racist!
The people that voted for the holiday are supporting racist rhetoric.